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While I understand your exhaustion, I wonder why they aren't suing companies providing certifications with 'Engineer' in the title. Say, Cisco Certified Engine

While I understand your exhaustion, I wonder why they aren't suing companies providing certifications with 'Engineer' in the title. Say, Cisco Certified Engineer, MCSE, etc. It would seem that it would be a far more egregious violation to offer to certify someone as an engineer. Do they not go after the companies claiming to provide these resources as a service? I'm just wondering why it seems so selectively enforced.

elevenfist 9y ago
> While I understand your exhaustion, I wonder why they aren't suing companies providing certifications with 'Engineer' in the title. ... quoting from a comment above from someone who is on the same side of the argument as you are. "By reviewing, critiquing, and altering an engineered ITE formula, and submitting the critique and calculations for his modified version of the ITE formula to members of the public for consideration and modification of Beaverton, Oregon's and "worldwide" traffic signals" Seriously. what. the. fuck. is wrong with you.
- sctb 9y ago
  Please comment civilly and substantively on HN or not at all. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - elevenfist 9y ago
    Sorry, I can do better, just a bit tired of seeing shallow comments on hn.
coupdejarnac 9y ago
This is another common misunderstanding. There is an "industrial exception" for engineers working under the umbrella of a corporation. From Texas engineer board code (I think other states are similar): § 1001.057. Employee of Private Corporation or Business Entity (a) This chapter shall not be construed to apply to the activities of a private corporation or other business entity, or the activities of the full-time employees or other personnel under the direct supervision and control of the business entity, on or in connection with: (1) reasonable modifications to existing buildings, facilities, or other fixtures to real property not accessible to the general public and which are owned, leased, or otherwise occupied by the entity; or (2) activities related only to the research, development, design, fabrication, production, assembly, integration, or service of products manufactured by the entity. [Sections (b) and (c) omitted for clarity] (d) For purposes of this section, “products manufactured by the entity” also includes computer software, firmware, hardware, semiconductor devices, and the production, exploration, and transportation of oil and gas and related products.” Meaning, engineers can perform engineering work for a company without being licensed.
- npiazza83 9y ago
  So I may sell myself as an "Engineer" to a company, but not the government? What if I'm asked my occupation during jury duty? Do I have to say, "code monkey" instead of "Software Engineer"? Perhaps "Meat Popsicle"

elevenfist 9y ago

> While I understand your exhaustion, I wonder why they aren't suing companies providing certifications with 'Engineer' in the title. ... quoting from a comment above from someone who is on the same side of the argument as you are. "By reviewing, critiquing, and altering an engineered ITE formula, and submitting the critique and calculations for his modified version of the ITE formula to members of the public for consideration and modification of Beaverton, Oregon's and "worldwide" traffic signals" Seriously. what. the. fuck. is wrong with you.

sctb 9y ago
Please comment civilly and substantively on HN or not at all. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- elevenfist 9y ago
  Sorry, I can do better, just a bit tired of seeing shallow comments on hn.

coupdejarnac 9y ago

This is another common misunderstanding. There is an "industrial exception" for engineers working under the umbrella of a corporation. From Texas engineer board code (I think other states are similar): § 1001.057. Employee of Private Corporation or Business Entity (a) This chapter shall not be construed to apply to the activities of a private corporation or other business entity, or the activities of the full-time employees or other personnel under the direct supervision and control of the business entity, on or in connection with: (1) reasonable modifications to existing buildings, facilities, or other fixtures to real property not accessible to the general public and which are owned, leased, or otherwise occupied by the entity; or (2) activities related only to the research, development, design, fabrication, production, assembly, integration, or service of products manufactured by the entity. [Sections (b) and (c) omitted for clarity] (d) For purposes of this section, “products manufactured by the entity” also includes computer software, firmware, hardware, semiconductor devices, and the production, exploration, and transportation of oil and gas and related products.” Meaning, engineers can perform engineering work for a company without being licensed.

npiazza83 9y ago
So I may sell myself as an "Engineer" to a company, but not the government? What if I'm asked my occupation during jury duty? Do I have to say, "code monkey" instead of "Software Engineer"? Perhaps "Meat Popsicle"