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Net Neutrality is a joke. It's a scam and 100% certain to result in major existing players using NN rules to prevent competition. Anyone with a modicum of und

Net Neutrality is a joke. It's a scam and 100% certain to result in major existing players using NN rules to prevent competition. Anyone with a modicum of understanding of regulated markets can see this.

chromox 9y ago
You said a lot without providing even simple arguments for anything you said. Net neutrality is the idea that no matter the content of a message sent over the internet it should be treated the same as any other message. The equivalent for power/water utility service would be that you can use power/water for anything in your house and you will pay the same price per unit you consume. Imagine if power/water companies were allowed to charge different prices for drinking water compared to dish washer water. Or your power company charges you a different rate for A/C than your refrigerator. That's power/water companies without neutrality. Do you want an Internet provider charging you more for using your preferred streaming service over using their video streaming service? In a world without net neutrality that's what you will get. You will end up paying for the internet like we currently pay for cable channels. Websites will be packaged into bundles and if you want something from another bundle... To bad you have to buy the entire bundle.
- vivekd 9y ago
  >Do you want an Internet provider charging you more for using your preferred streaming service over using their video streaming service? In a world without net neutrality that's what you will get. You will end up paying for the internet like we currently pay for cable channels. Websites will be packaged into bundles and if you want something from another bundle... To bad you have to buy the entire bundle. Can't they already do this now? Imagine an ISP provides a browser or even a browser plugin as a part of their service and certain websites will not work properly unless you are using that particular browser. Imagine they give discounts to customers that use preferred sites over other sites. I don't think they can do much more than this with net neutrality and they, should they wish, already have the power to do so now. It seems like the reason they don't do this is because there isn't much motivation for them to do so, artificially restricting their services would cause them to lose money to providers that don't artificially restrict services.
  - killbrad 9y ago
    No, they cannot do that now because of net neutrality.
    - vivekd 9y ago
      But what rule or law exactly, I don't see anything in the internet freedom act of 2009 or anything else that would prevent them from taking these steps. Is this whole net neutrality debate a case of legislators not understanding technology and technologists not understanding legislation.
confounded 9y ago
Could you explain, for those of us without your particular modicum? My local, independent, ISP is fiercely in favor of it (and less than 1/3rd of the price of Comcast). As a consumer and technologist, I can see only benefits with regards to competition and freedom.
mr_spothawk 9y ago
these are bad words on HN </s> seriously though, you can't say this without running afoul of the right-think. I agree with your statement. And I think it's absurd to think that we'll get what we want from the market if we try to impose NN on the system. I'm in favor of NN though, even still. because I believe it will lead us to a place where we have to build (or buy) the network for ourselves.
EliRivers 9y ago
And anyone able to communicate above the fifth grade level can present their patronising passive-aggression better than you do. I suspect you won't understand what I just said, so I'll spell it out for it. You've just insulted your audience without providing any actual argument. You're not contributing; you're mouthing off to make yourself feel like a big man. Time to grow up.

chromox 9y ago

You said a lot without providing even simple arguments for anything you said. Net neutrality is the idea that no matter the content of a message sent over the internet it should be treated the same as any other message. The equivalent for power/water utility service would be that you can use power/water for anything in your house and you will pay the same price per unit you consume. Imagine if power/water companies were allowed to charge different prices for drinking water compared to dish washer water. Or your power company charges you a different rate for A/C than your refrigerator. That's power/water companies without neutrality. Do you want an Internet provider charging you more for using your preferred streaming service over using their video streaming service? In a world without net neutrality that's what you will get. You will end up paying for the internet like we currently pay for cable channels. Websites will be packaged into bundles and if you want something from another bundle... To bad you have to buy the entire bundle.

vivekd 9y ago
>Do you want an Internet provider charging you more for using your preferred streaming service over using their video streaming service? In a world without net neutrality that's what you will get. You will end up paying for the internet like we currently pay for cable channels. Websites will be packaged into bundles and if you want something from another bundle... To bad you have to buy the entire bundle. Can't they already do this now? Imagine an ISP provides a browser or even a browser plugin as a part of their service and certain websites will not work properly unless you are using that particular browser. Imagine they give discounts to customers that use preferred sites over other sites. I don't think they can do much more than this with net neutrality and they, should they wish, already have the power to do so now. It seems like the reason they don't do this is because there isn't much motivation for them to do so, artificially restricting their services would cause them to lose money to providers that don't artificially restrict services.
- killbrad 9y ago
  No, they cannot do that now because of net neutrality.
  - vivekd 9y ago
    But what rule or law exactly, I don't see anything in the internet freedom act of 2009 or anything else that would prevent them from taking these steps. Is this whole net neutrality debate a case of legislators not understanding technology and technologists not understanding legislation.

confounded 9y ago

Could you explain, for those of us without your particular modicum? My local, independent, ISP is fiercely in favor of it (and less than 1/3rd of the price of Comcast). As a consumer and technologist, I can see only benefits with regards to competition and freedom.

mr_spothawk 9y ago

these are bad words on HN </s> seriously though, you can't say this without running afoul of the right-think. I agree with your statement. And I think it's absurd to think that we'll get what we want from the market if we try to impose NN on the system. I'm in favor of NN though, even still. because I believe it will lead us to a place where we have to build (or buy) the network for ourselves.

EliRivers 9y ago

And anyone able to communicate above the fifth grade level can present their patronising passive-aggression better than you do. I suspect you won't understand what I just said, so I'll spell it out for it. You've just insulted your audience without providing any actual argument. You're not contributing; you're mouthing off to make yourself feel like a big man. Time to grow up.