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Yes but I don't see how making every road as safe to drive in as a parking lot (i.e. not very safe) vs. a big empty highway is a solution. The problem we're tr
by wvenable 10y ago
Yes but I don't see how making every road as safe to drive in as a parking lot (i.e. not very safe) vs. a big empty highway is a solution. The problem we're trying to solve is safety, not speed. Slowing people down by making roads less safe misses the point.
- syncsynchalt 10y agoA neckdown or narrow lanes do not make a road less safe. Instead we see the opposite, traffic naturally slows down and thus the road becomes safer.
- wvenable 10y agoThey also make the road less useful -- you have to balance safety with something. If not, it's just safer if everybody stays at home.
- Kluny 10y agoIf the road has to close because of a traffic accident, that makes it less useful too - especially when it seems to happen almost every day. A road with less throughput that at least keeps moving can be better.
- mason240 10y ago>They also make the road less useful And that's the real goal here. This is just another avenue of attack for anti-car zealots.
- aoeusnth1 10y agoYou say "anti-car" like it's a bad thing.
- mason240 10y agoI guess it depends on if you value freedom of movement or not. But thanks for dropping by as an example.
- aoeusnth1 10y agoI value freedom of movement - but not only through car accessibility. I value being able to walk / bike / take a bus safely and within a reasonable distance from my destination. The modern American suburb is terribly designed from this perspective. This is not an uncommon opinion: https://likewise.am/2016/05/08/why-suburbia-sucks/ https://likewise.am/2016/05/08/why-suburbia-sucks/
- syncsynchalt 10y agoI'm a pedestrian. Many roads around me have been made more useful to you, to the point where they're useless to me. If they're all made useful, then I'll be the one who has to stay at home.
- learc83 10y agoTraffic calming doesn't make roads less safe. Advocates of traffic calming measures aren't trying to literally make roads as unsafe as parking lots. What makes parking lots unsafe is the constant threat of someone pulling out in front of you, no one is advocating simulating that. Think about roundabouts, they force you to slow down because they prevent you from driving directly though an intersection. They are statistically much safer than 4 way stops.
- wvenable 10y agoI agree that neighborhood roads should have roundabouts and so on. But that doesn't apply to major arteries, highways, etc.
- labster 10y agoI would agree, but my father used to drive a bottled water delivery truck. And he's seen lots of neighborhoods where roundabouts are simply not built large enough to accommodate anything with more than two axles. In California, roundabouts tend to be added into new construction, but squeezed into a space that is no larger than a normal intersection.
- oblio 10y agoIf they're designed properly, they should be low, almost the same height as speed bumps. That way something with 16 wheels can go straight over them while regular cars will probably go around them.
- Ntrails 10y ago>Think about roundabouts, they force you to slow down because they prevent you from driving directly though an intersection. They are statistically much safer than 4 way stops. That's not entirely true, with half decent vision I can drive straight onto and off the roundabout again. Certainly in a 30/40mph limit I don't have to slow down particularly. The point of roundabouts isn't to slow people down, it's to keep traffic moving efficiently and safely. Four way stops are just obviously an awful solution that I've never understood
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