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You could think this way: When you are driving at day on a parking lot full of cars you drive slowly, right? And when you drive on a empty highway you drive fas
by felipelemos 9y ago
You could think this way:
When you are driving at day on a parking lot full of cars you drive slowly, right?
And when you drive on a empty highway you drive fast.
Regardless of law or street signals, you would drive at this same speed, right?
Why? Because the environment are different.
This is the point of the article.
We have been giving tickets since forever and yet nothing has really changed, and nothing will change, unless we started to design the roads with the speed they need to have.
- wvenable 9y agoYes but I don't see how making every road as safe to drive in as a parking lot (i.e. not very safe) vs. a big empty highway is a solution. The problem we're trying to solve is safety, not speed. Slowing people down by making roads less safe misses the point.
- syncsynchalt 9y agoA neckdown or narrow lanes do not make a road less safe. Instead we see the opposite, traffic naturally slows down and thus the road becomes safer.
- wvenable 9y agoThey also make the road less useful -- you have to balance safety with something. If not, it's just safer if everybody stays at home.
- Kluny 9y agoIf the road has to close because of a traffic accident, that makes it less useful too - especially when it seems to happen almost every day. A road with less throughput that at least keeps moving can be better.
- mason240 9y ago>They also make the road less useful And that's the real goal here. This is just another avenue of attack for anti-car zealots.
- aoeusnth1 9y agoYou say "anti-car" like it's a bad thing.
- mason240 9y agoI guess it depends on if you value freedom of movement or not. But thanks for dropping by as an example.
- aoeusnth1 9y agoI value freedom of movement - but not only through car accessibility. I value being able to walk / bike / take a bus safely and within a reasonable distance from my destination. The modern American suburb is terribly designed from this perspective. This is not an uncommon opinion: https://likewise.am/2016/05/08/why-suburbia-sucks/ https://likewise.am/2016/05/08/why-suburbia-sucks/
- syncsynchalt 9y agoI'm a pedestrian. Many roads around me have been made more useful to you, to the point where they're useless to me. If they're all made useful, then I'll be the one who has to stay at home.
- learc83 9y agoTraffic calming doesn't make roads less safe. Advocates of traffic calming measures aren't trying to literally make roads as unsafe as parking lots. What makes parking lots unsafe is the constant threat of someone pulling out in front of you, no one is advocating simulating that. Think about roundabouts, they force you to slow down because they prevent you from driving directly though an intersection. They are statistically much safer than 4 way stops.
- wvenable 9y agoI agree that neighborhood roads should have roundabouts and so on. But that doesn't apply to major arteries, highways, etc.
- labster 9y agoI would agree, but my father used to drive a bottled water delivery truck. And he's seen lots of neighborhoods where roundabouts are simply not built large enough to accommodate anything with more than two axles. In California, roundabouts tend to be added into new construction, but squeezed into a space that is no larger than a normal intersection.
- oblio 9y agoIf they're designed properly, they should be low, almost the same height as speed bumps. That way something with 16 wheels can go straight over them while regular cars will probably go around them.
- Ntrails 9y ago>Think about roundabouts, they force you to slow down because they prevent you from driving directly though an intersection. They are statistically much safer than 4 way stops. That's not entirely true, with half decent vision I can drive straight onto and off the roundabout again. Certainly in a 30/40mph limit I don't have to slow down particularly. The point of roundabouts isn't to slow people down, it's to keep traffic moving efficiently and safely. Four way stops are just obviously an awful solution that I've never understood
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