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> So far Jai seems to be the most serious competitor in this regard. 1. Jai is not even released. 2. Jai is a programming language, not a game engine. Unity

> So far Jai seems to be the most serious competitor in this regard. 1. Jai is not even released. 2. Jai is a programming language, not a game engine. Unity is slow because they are using an outdated C# implementation (some old Mono).

emsy 10y ago
1. If you follow its development you know the features and the design philosophy. What's your point? 2. I picked Unity because it's the most popular engine with an underlying GC. Regardless of their GC implementation, in games you don't want opaque runtime behaviour, which a GC always introduces. This leads to weird workarounds in your code that nobody understands instead of having clear and explicit memory management.
- AlexeyBrin 10y ago
  My point is that until a language is proven, as in used on a large scale it is just a nice idea. Let's wait until Jai is released and used by different teams for different tasks until we proclaim its superiority.
  - emsy 10y ago
    I didn't claim superiority, I just that it's the most serious competitor. A point I still stand by. The original post compared the adoption of C# to the adoption of C++, the now de-facto standard for games. C# does not have what it takes to become the de-facto standard for games.
    - pjmlp 10y ago
      Sure it does. C++ became a de-facto standard for games, because console SDKs moved from C to C++, pushed by the companies selling them. The same companies that are now adopting Unity and have already toyed with the idea of having a C# SDK. If for the sake of example, PS5 SDK would be C# based, devs that wanted any money from PS5 games would adopt it, regardless of their feelings regarding C++ vs C#.
      - emsy 10y ago
        >If for the sake of example This is a terrible example and you have no idea what you're talking about.
        pjmlp 10y ago
        As someone that once upon a time was at SCEE SOHO office, maybe I do know one or two things.

emsy 10y ago

1. If you follow its development you know the features and the design philosophy. What's your point? 2. I picked Unity because it's the most popular engine with an underlying GC. Regardless of their GC implementation, in games you don't want opaque runtime behaviour, which a GC always introduces. This leads to weird workarounds in your code that nobody understands instead of having clear and explicit memory management.

AlexeyBrin 10y ago
My point is that until a language is proven, as in used on a large scale it is just a nice idea. Let's wait until Jai is released and used by different teams for different tasks until we proclaim its superiority.
- emsy 10y ago
  I didn't claim superiority, I just that it's the most serious competitor. A point I still stand by. The original post compared the adoption of C# to the adoption of C++, the now de-facto standard for games. C# does not have what it takes to become the de-facto standard for games.
  - pjmlp 10y ago
    Sure it does. C++ became a de-facto standard for games, because console SDKs moved from C to C++, pushed by the companies selling them. The same companies that are now adopting Unity and have already toyed with the idea of having a C# SDK. If for the sake of example, PS5 SDK would be C# based, devs that wanted any money from PS5 games would adopt it, regardless of their feelings regarding C++ vs C#.
    - emsy 10y ago
      >If for the sake of example This is a terrible example and you have no idea what you're talking about.
      - pjmlp 10y ago
        As someone that once upon a time was at SCEE SOHO office, maybe I do know one or two things.