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No. It's about public safety. Do you want anybody calling themselves Doctors and making surgery without proper training? How about civil engineers building brid

No. It's about public safety. Do you want anybody calling themselves Doctors and making surgery without proper training? How about civil engineers building bridge? How about software engineers that work on medical devices that can kill? If you are building iOS apps you are probably a developer, not an engineer.

ChicagoBoy11 10y ago
I actually do. Doctors with "proper training" still kill people and are grossly negligent. Like I replied to someone above, where I think I and you would sharply disagree on is the notion that without mandated professional licensing it would be a free for all. I don't think that is true at all. I think systems of accreditation, checking for competency, etc. would emerge, and likely even be better than the ones we have today.
- jpambrun 10y ago
  It's not enough. I have a bachelor's degree and Ph.D. in Engineering, but I still cannot call myself either engineer (I'm not a member of the Ordre des ingénieurs du Québec) nor Doctor. And it is fine. Professional orders can disbar you temporally and impose training for any competence or ethical shortcoming. Their role is solely to protect the public. This is the 'systems of accreditation, checking for competency' that many societies came up with. The idea that you can rely on self-regulation is ridiculous. Most Doctors are not grossly negligent, but if you find one that is what are you gonna do? There is no one to complain to without professional orders.
  - wutbrodo 10y ago
    > Most Doctors are not grossly negligent, but if you find one that is what are you gonna do? There is no one to complain to without professional orders. Um, the legal system? Have you honestly never heard of the legal concept of malpractice? "Gross negligence" is very much included in it.
    - jpambrun 10y ago
      I think our legal systems are just too different. Malpractice is handled by the professional order's Syndic along with all sorts of minor offences such as misrepresentation. It is part of the judicial system. It can impose fine, training, disbarment, etc. As a side note, the American obsession with suing everything just look backwards to most of us.

ChicagoBoy11 10y ago

I actually do. Doctors with "proper training" still kill people and are grossly negligent. Like I replied to someone above, where I think I and you would sharply disagree on is the notion that without mandated professional licensing it would be a free for all. I don't think that is true at all. I think systems of accreditation, checking for competency, etc. would emerge, and likely even be better than the ones we have today.

jpambrun 10y ago
It's not enough. I have a bachelor's degree and Ph.D. in Engineering, but I still cannot call myself either engineer (I'm not a member of the Ordre des ingénieurs du Québec) nor Doctor. And it is fine. Professional orders can disbar you temporally and impose training for any competence or ethical shortcoming. Their role is solely to protect the public. This is the 'systems of accreditation, checking for competency' that many societies came up with. The idea that you can rely on self-regulation is ridiculous. Most Doctors are not grossly negligent, but if you find one that is what are you gonna do? There is no one to complain to without professional orders.
- wutbrodo 10y ago
  > Most Doctors are not grossly negligent, but if you find one that is what are you gonna do? There is no one to complain to without professional orders. Um, the legal system? Have you honestly never heard of the legal concept of malpractice? "Gross negligence" is very much included in it.
  - jpambrun 10y ago
    I think our legal systems are just too different. Malpractice is handled by the professional order's Syndic along with all sorts of minor offences such as misrepresentation. It is part of the judicial system. It can impose fine, training, disbarment, etc. As a side note, the American obsession with suing everything just look backwards to most of us.