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From your link: "However, it is important to make a distinction between a "graduate engineer" and a "professional engineer" or "licensed engineer." A "graduate
by muninn_ 9y ago
From your link:
"However, it is important to make a distinction between a "graduate engineer" and a "professional engineer" or "licensed engineer." A "graduate engineer" is anyone holding a degree in engineering from an accredited four-year university program, but is not licensed to practice or offer services to the public. Unlicensed engineers usually work as employees for a company, or as professors in engineering colleges, where they are governed under the industrial exemption clause. Some states, such as Ohio and New Jersey, prohibit the use of the term "engineer" by an unlicensed person unless it is part of the internal classification of their employer."
So you don't need a license to call yourself an engineer. What this effectively does is permits engineers to perform engineering tasks and be called engineers in their line of work, without having to complete the examinations and all of that jazz. Otherwise, the entire system makes 0 sense. Furthermore, this demonstrates that you may call yourself an engineer if you have graduated from engineering college as you are under granted the title "graduate engineer", and thus can use engineer for shorthand, just as "engineers in training" and "professional engineers" may call themselves engineers for short. I doubt they want to always have to call themselves professional engineers or engineers in training or face a silly fine.
Though I do fully support requiring licensure for some engineering related work. Basically, if you can fuck something up that can cost lives (aviation, bridges, buildings, etc...), you should have a license. Screwing up some code or mixing industrial chemicals normally doesn't fall into that category, though. If it does then yes you should be licensed.
- anigbrowl 9y agoIt's unwise to rely on a Wikipedia for legal analysis; at best you should treat it as a good starting point for your more detailed research.
- muninn_ 9y agoI was quoting OP's link and not providing legal analysis - just demonstrating faulty reasoning provided by OP. Meanwhile I'll keep on being an engineer all the live long day :)
- anigbrowl 9y agoThere's no achievement in pointing out 'faulty reasoning' when the OP explicitly stated that it was a simplification. You just complicated it again to feel like you had a point.
- muninn_ 9y agoWhere did I say it was an achievement? Was the OP an achievement? The simplification was inherently incorrect, and contradictory. To say that I "feel" that I had a point is nonsense. There's no "feeling" here, it's simply a stated factual point. All you have to do is search for "mechanical engineer" or something along those lines.
- anigbrowl 9y agoA narrow pedantry rarely leads to insight. The basic point that 'engineer' is a restricted title in many jurisdictions and contexts is sound, notwithstanding your emotional aversion to it. This has been explained through the thread at length, often by people more eloquent than I.
- muninn_ 9y agoWhere have I disputed that it is a restricted title in some jurisdictions?