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Not compared to anyone, you don't need to compare to someone to make a statement that outside of tech, Zuck isn't that well known. It would surprise me to see

Not compared to anyone, you don't need to compare to someone to make a statement that outside of tech, Zuck isn't that well known. It would surprise me to see millennials vote in swarms at all, that fact that young people generally don't vote is one of the big problems and always has been. Young people don't choose government, they're too busy being young; it's older people that show up and vote and largely always has been which explains the demographic of congress. MZ isn't a politician, and I don't think he could win because he doesn't have the personality required of a politician and diplomat. Trump didn't win on anti-establishment, he won on racism pure and simple and that was born out by the numbers. He ran a nasty divisive campaign invoking the worst in people and it was just enough with our wacky electoral system to win despite losing by millions of votes overall. As for your summary of the left, well, it's just an unhinged partisan rant not grounded in any facts and not worth arguing with.

cgriswald 10y ago
> As for your summary of the left, well, it's just an unhinged partisan rant not grounded in any facts and not worth arguing with. It's grounded in the experience of actually talking to people with differing opinions, rather than trying to claim they are racist or "not worth arguing with" or declaring them a "partisan" without even knowing their political leanings, much less their positions on individual issues.
- gnaritas 10y ago
  Try reading more carefully, I said it was a partisan rant, and it was. I don't have to know your political leanings to know what you said was clearly a partisan rant. Talking to people who behave like racists, doesn't make them not racists. Refusing to call out racism because it might offend the racists simply isn't something decent people should be willing to do. If you can't see truth in the lefts claims of racism, and they are true, it's very likely because you yourself don't recognize racism when you see it likely because you're so normalized to it or you're unaffected by it and unwilling to understand your experience isn't the same as everyone else's. The left didn't lose because they called people out on their racism/etc, they lost because so many people are racist/etc that Trump was able to find an audience and combined with an electoral system that favors rural voters and thus land over people, he was able to win while getting far less votes than his competitor; he literally won on a technicality. Trump is a straight up racist who demonstrated this fact time and time again, so much so he got the KKK's endorsement and support from ignorant folk from all over the country. That you blame those pointing out the problem instead of those who are the problem is quite telling. I have no problem talking to people of different opinions and do so often, but racism isn't merely a difference of opinion, it's a form of oppression and violence and can't simply be ignored by slapping a euphemism of "different opinion" on it. When you oppress other people, whether it be women or people of color, you are not just having "different opinions" and it's dishonest to attempt to label it as such.
  - cgriswald 10y ago
    You're very quick to categorize things. Not really my problem. It is neither a rant nor partisan simply because you disagree. If the left were busy educating and informing people about their racism in constructive ways, they would not have lost. I do this. Plenty of other left-leaning people I know do this. But this is not what "the left" as a whole does, at all. The left spent this election vilifying and labeling people as racist, and that is not constructive. And honestly, it doesn't matter if you agree, that is how people felt and that is what drew them to Trump. He treated them like idiots, but he made them feel good rather than bad. If you want to call that "winning because of racism" fine.
ithinkinstereo 10y ago
> Trump didn't win on anti-establishment, he won on racism pure and simple and that was born out by the numbers. This is why the left lost. They can't see past racism, sexism, ___ism. Remember that many of the key swing states Trump won, went Obama 4 and 8 years ago. I'm not denying that racism had a role in his victory, I just don't think it played as critically of a factor as you think.
- gnaritas 10y ago
  You're welcome to think otherwise, you're wrong, but I really don't care; I've seen the numbers, racism was the major factor in the election, it's not a matter of opinion, it's a fact. Ignore facts if you if like, it seems to be the popular thing to do these days.
  - ithinkinstereo 10y ago
    I'm open to listening. Can you share your facts with me?
    - gnaritas 10y ago
      You can start here https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/04/17/racism-motivated-trump-voters-more-than-authoritarianism-or-income-inequality/?utm_term=.9d381cd4a09d https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/04/1... and if you really care, google a bit and you'll have no issue finding plenty of evidence that racism was the key factor in this election; and if you know personally many Trump voters it's pretty obvious as well with only a little discussion.

cgriswald 10y ago

> As for your summary of the left, well, it's just an unhinged partisan rant not grounded in any facts and not worth arguing with. It's grounded in the experience of actually talking to people with differing opinions, rather than trying to claim they are racist or "not worth arguing with" or declaring them a "partisan" without even knowing their political leanings, much less their positions on individual issues.

gnaritas 10y ago
Try reading more carefully, I said it was a partisan rant, and it was. I don't have to know your political leanings to know what you said was clearly a partisan rant. Talking to people who behave like racists, doesn't make them not racists. Refusing to call out racism because it might offend the racists simply isn't something decent people should be willing to do. If you can't see truth in the lefts claims of racism, and they are true, it's very likely because you yourself don't recognize racism when you see it likely because you're so normalized to it or you're unaffected by it and unwilling to understand your experience isn't the same as everyone else's. The left didn't lose because they called people out on their racism/etc, they lost because so many people are racist/etc that Trump was able to find an audience and combined with an electoral system that favors rural voters and thus land over people, he was able to win while getting far less votes than his competitor; he literally won on a technicality. Trump is a straight up racist who demonstrated this fact time and time again, so much so he got the KKK's endorsement and support from ignorant folk from all over the country. That you blame those pointing out the problem instead of those who are the problem is quite telling. I have no problem talking to people of different opinions and do so often, but racism isn't merely a difference of opinion, it's a form of oppression and violence and can't simply be ignored by slapping a euphemism of "different opinion" on it. When you oppress other people, whether it be women or people of color, you are not just having "different opinions" and it's dishonest to attempt to label it as such.
- cgriswald 10y ago
  You're very quick to categorize things. Not really my problem. It is neither a rant nor partisan simply because you disagree. If the left were busy educating and informing people about their racism in constructive ways, they would not have lost. I do this. Plenty of other left-leaning people I know do this. But this is not what "the left" as a whole does, at all. The left spent this election vilifying and labeling people as racist, and that is not constructive. And honestly, it doesn't matter if you agree, that is how people felt and that is what drew them to Trump. He treated them like idiots, but he made them feel good rather than bad. If you want to call that "winning because of racism" fine.

ithinkinstereo 10y ago

> Trump didn't win on anti-establishment, he won on racism pure and simple and that was born out by the numbers. This is why the left lost. They can't see past racism, sexism, ___ism. Remember that many of the key swing states Trump won, went Obama 4 and 8 years ago. I'm not denying that racism had a role in his victory, I just don't think it played as critically of a factor as you think.

gnaritas 10y ago
You're welcome to think otherwise, you're wrong, but I really don't care; I've seen the numbers, racism was the major factor in the election, it's not a matter of opinion, it's a fact. Ignore facts if you if like, it seems to be the popular thing to do these days.
- ithinkinstereo 10y ago
  I'm open to listening. Can you share your facts with me?
  - gnaritas 10y ago
    You can start here https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/04/17/racism-motivated-trump-voters-more-than-authoritarianism-or-income-inequality/?utm_term=.9d381cd4a09d https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/04/1... and if you really care, google a bit and you'll have no issue finding plenty of evidence that racism was the key factor in this election; and if you know personally many Trump voters it's pretty obvious as well with only a little discussion.