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It's very subjective. I find driving in Germany to be not very stressful, despite the relatively narrow lanes and high speeds. Now, one has to compare similar

It's very subjective. I find driving in Germany to be not very stressful, despite the relatively narrow lanes and high speeds. Now, one has to compare similar situations, not a German Autobahn in a Metropolitan region with a empty desert highway... But comparing a busy Autobahn with a busy freeway (say the interstate into Chicago), I found the freeway to be much more stressful. People are passing on both sides! And there is not much speed differential. I can't just fall back to the right if I want to take it slow. There is often no emergency lane. I feel like I'm being pushed along, and if I can't keep up, I will be ran over. In Germany, people can go faster, but it feels very predictable, clockwork-like. Yes, you have occasional idiots speeding with 250 km/h on the left lane that don't slow down and assume you will move out of the way out of self-preservation. But those are outliers, other than that I rarely have complaints. Maybe it is a cliche, but it seems the drivers' education, and the condition of cars and streets, is really good in Germany.

chrisper 10y ago
>Maybe it is a cliche, but it seems the drivers' education, and the condition of cars and streets, is really good in Germany. It is not a cliche. I have lived in the US for the past 5 years and lived for 20 years in Germany before that. Germans roads are like 5000x better than US roads (at least here in California). Road paintings here are a joke, especially at night or when it is raining. The only exception is when a road gets painted freshly. Then it is good for like 2 months.
- derefr 10y ago
  What do the German road engineers do that make road paintings last for more than 2 months?
  - chrisper 10y ago
    I think it's just the overall road maintenance that is better.
  - dsfyu404ed 10y ago
    Not have to deal with salt, snow plows and residual abrasive material.
    - looperhacks 10y ago
      There's winter in Germany, too, you know? Salt is used, too.
      - ptaipale 10y ago
        However, you hardly see any grit/sand on the roads. There's a lot of salt. Where I live (Finland) we have lots of sand but much less salt. The salt use is diminished to protect the environment, but the sand eats the road, as well as the studs most people use in winter tires. (Yes, we change to winter tires in the autumn and summer tires in the spring; this seems to be an unknown thing in Britain or France and even a bit of snow produces a mess there. Germans have non-studded winter tires which work fine with the amount of salt.)
        u801e 10y ago
        Do drivers in Finland ever use studless snow tires like Bridgestone Blizzaks, or do they always rely on studded tires. I live in the US and switch to those tires in the winter and find that they have much better traction compared to the all season tires I have on my other car. Other than icy conditions, does having studs have much advantage over studless. I suspect that the damage to roadways caused by studs could be substantially reduced if more people used studless snow tires in the winter.
        ptaipale 10y ago
        In Finland, about 85 % use studded winter tyres, 15 % use tyres without studs. Sweden is similar but somewhat less studs. Studded tyres are more noisy, and they do eat the road more. They are more consistent - in snow, there's no difference; when the road is clean, studs do slightly worse; when the road is particularly slippery and icy, the studded tyres are much better. However, I can deal with that, so I prefer studless tyres. Last winter I had studded ones because they came with the used car I bought. I'm switching to studless for next winter. It would be good to reduce the number of studded tyres, but people like them for the consistency. However, it wouldn't be good if all switched to studless tyres, because then the roads would sometimes become extremely slippery and polished. The studs remove the ice so that main roads become safer also for studless tyres. I think that a ratio of 30 % of studded tyres would be good for the whole. If everyone had studless tyres, there would need to be substantially more salt and grit on the roads, and then there would again be more dust and damage to waterways. (Currently we can see the polishing impact on bus stops: buses are heavy vehicles which do not have studs, and they sometimes get stuck on bus stops at a slight uphill, as the area is polished ice, while everyone else drives by normally.)
  - njharman 10y ago
    I'm gonna guess some combo of "pay for materials that last more than 2 months" and "paint every two months". Which is doable when you have 200% less roads / vehicles and politicians unwilling to let the infrastructure of your country fall to shit.

chrisper 10y ago

>Maybe it is a cliche, but it seems the drivers' education, and the condition of cars and streets, is really good in Germany. It is not a cliche. I have lived in the US for the past 5 years and lived for 20 years in Germany before that. Germans roads are like 5000x better than US roads (at least here in California). Road paintings here are a joke, especially at night or when it is raining. The only exception is when a road gets painted freshly. Then it is good for like 2 months.

derefr 10y ago
What do the German road engineers do that make road paintings last for more than 2 months?
- chrisper 10y ago
  I think it's just the overall road maintenance that is better.
- dsfyu404ed 10y ago
  Not have to deal with salt, snow plows and residual abrasive material.
  - looperhacks 10y ago
    There's winter in Germany, too, you know? Salt is used, too.
    - ptaipale 10y ago
      However, you hardly see any grit/sand on the roads. There's a lot of salt. Where I live (Finland) we have lots of sand but much less salt. The salt use is diminished to protect the environment, but the sand eats the road, as well as the studs most people use in winter tires. (Yes, we change to winter tires in the autumn and summer tires in the spring; this seems to be an unknown thing in Britain or France and even a bit of snow produces a mess there. Germans have non-studded winter tires which work fine with the amount of salt.)
      - u801e 10y ago
        Do drivers in Finland ever use studless snow tires like Bridgestone Blizzaks, or do they always rely on studded tires. I live in the US and switch to those tires in the winter and find that they have much better traction compared to the all season tires I have on my other car. Other than icy conditions, does having studs have much advantage over studless. I suspect that the damage to roadways caused by studs could be substantially reduced if more people used studless snow tires in the winter.
        ptaipale 10y ago
        In Finland, about 85 % use studded winter tyres, 15 % use tyres without studs. Sweden is similar but somewhat less studs. Studded tyres are more noisy, and they do eat the road more. They are more consistent - in snow, there's no difference; when the road is clean, studs do slightly worse; when the road is particularly slippery and icy, the studded tyres are much better. However, I can deal with that, so I prefer studless tyres. Last winter I had studded ones because they came with the used car I bought. I'm switching to studless for next winter. It would be good to reduce the number of studded tyres, but people like them for the consistency. However, it wouldn't be good if all switched to studless tyres, because then the roads would sometimes become extremely slippery and polished. The studs remove the ice so that main roads become safer also for studless tyres. I think that a ratio of 30 % of studded tyres would be good for the whole. If everyone had studless tyres, there would need to be substantially more salt and grit on the roads, and then there would again be more dust and damage to waterways. (Currently we can see the polishing impact on bus stops: buses are heavy vehicles which do not have studs, and they sometimes get stuck on bus stops at a slight uphill, as the area is polished ice, while everyone else drives by normally.)
- njharman 10y ago
  I'm gonna guess some combo of "pay for materials that last more than 2 months" and "paint every two months". Which is doable when you have 200% less roads / vehicles and politicians unwilling to let the infrastructure of your country fall to shit.