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From United States v. Causby: We have said that the airspace is a public highway. Yet it is obvious that if the landowner is to have full enjoyment of the land
by dvt 10y ago
From United States v. Causby:
We have said that the airspace is a public highway. Yet it is obvious that if the landowner is to have full enjoyment of the land, he must have exclusive control of the immediate reaches of the enveloping atmosphere. Otherwise buildings could not be erected, trees could not be planted, and even fences could not be run. The principle is recognized when the law gives a remedy in case overhanging structures are erected on adjoining land. 9 The landowner owns at least as much of the space above the ground as the can occupy or use in connection with the land. See Hinman v. Pacific Air Transport, 9 Cir., 84 F.2d 755. The fact that he does not occupy it in a physical sense-by the erection of buildings and the like-is not material. As we have said, the flight of airplanes, which skim the surface but do not touch it, is as much an appropriation of the use of the land as a more conventional entry upon it. We would not doub that if the United States erected [328 U.S. 256, 265] an elevated railway over respondents' land at the precise altitude where its planes now fly, there would be a partial taking, even though none of the supports of the structure rested on the land. 10 The reason is that there would be an intrusion so immediate and direct as to subtract from the owner's full enjoyment of the property and to limit his exploitation of it. While the owner does not in any physical manner occupy that stratum of airspace or make use of it in the conventional sense, he does use it in somewhat the same sense that space left between buildings for the purpose of light and air is used. The superadjacent airspace at this low altitude is so close to the land that continuous invasions of it affect the use of the surface of the land itself. We think that the landowner, as an incident to his ownership, has a claim to it and that invasions of it are in the same category as invasions of the surface. 11
Obviously, it's a tricky issue. It's hard to see if flying a drone over someone else's property is illegal or not. It seems that it might be contingent on altitude, noise, and other forms of disruption.
- pdabbadabba 10y agoAll true. But I'm not sure this has much to say about whether it is acceptable to shoot the intruding drone.
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- HarryHirsch 10y agoIt's better than assaulting the owner of the obnoxious thing. That would certainly put you on the wrong side of the law; but shooting the thing out of the way might be an acceptable way of defending your privacy. The courts haven't spoken, sooner or later they'll have to.
- pavel_lishin 10y agoI don't think putting bullets into a ballistic trajectory without giving thought to what's downrange is particularly better than assaulting an obnoxious drone owner.
- bmelton 10y agoAccording to the FAA, it is unlawful to shoot at any aircraft, including drones, as is is outlawed in 18 US Code, 32 - and considered "aircraft sabotage", and is subject to 20 years in jail, a fine, or both. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/32 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/32 Of course that is in conflict with Causby, which would likely take precedent at low altitudes, though the not-unlikely result might be a test for exactly what altitude a flight would need to be to be defensible in shooting. At the end of the day though, whichever way the law sides, the drone operator has civil restitution available (if it can be proved who shot), which should help shape the court cases.
- pdabbadabba 10y agoYes, of course it is illegal to shoot an aircraft! (Though I'm less clear on whether that particular rule applies to consumer drones.) But, again, there is no 'conflict' between the FAA regs and Causby. Causby does not allow you to shoot things, it just establishes the boundaries of property owner's property rights.
- bmelton 10y ago
- brador 10y agoIf the camera was on and recording it could be argued it was with purpose and not merely "passing through the airspace".
- SomewhatLikely 10y agoIn the article, the drone pilot claims the drone never even flew above the shooter's property.