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Actually majority of Jewish people in Germany considered themselves as German and didn't want to move to Palestine prior to the holocaust.
by gjjrfcbugxbhf 9y ago
Actually majority of Jewish people in Germany considered themselves as German and didn't want to move to Palestine prior to the holocaust.
- pygy_ 9y agoNow that's interesting. I must admit that I know little about Jews and their history. I know that Ashkenazim have a high prevalence of certain recessive diseases, which suggests that they tend, to this day, to be somewhat endogamous. I don't know how much of it is due to their own culture, and how much is due to the fact that they were up to WW2 stigmatized by the Catholic church for being, as a people, responsible for the death of Jesus (without which Christianity wouldn't exist, yet it was held against them, go figure...). I also know that there's an derogatory Hebrew word, goy, for the out-group. But at the same time AFAIK before WW2 Jews were portrayed by racist nationalists as "filthy internationalists", i.e. an existential threat. Regardless of the prior strength of the Jew identity prior, WW2 gave us a fiercely nationalist/tribal Israel (defined as constitutionally as a Jewish state, where interfaith or non-religious marriage are not possible, etc...), which in turn gave us the rise of the modern Jihad as a reaction to the oppression of Palestinians and the support of US/Europe to Israel (well, the Irak wars didn't help either). I wish we could dispel that madness. At this point, territorial and tribal fights are a net loss, to every one but weapons merchants.
- gjjrfcbugxbhf 9y agoI'm not saying that they didn't define themselves as Jewish. I'm saying that that was one part of their identity and that the German part was also important. NB I'm speaking about averages and generalities. I'm sure that different individuals held a full range of opinions.