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>I'd be willing to spend up to $50 a month for a limited package, but at most that seems to get me is 1-2GB when I'm in Canada unless I want to sign another lon

by iicc 9y ago

>I'd be willing to spend up to $50 a month for a limited package, but at most that seems to get me is 1-2GB when I'm in Canada unless I want to sign another long term contract. http://prepaid-data-sim-card.wikia.com/wiki/Canada http://prepaid-data-sim-card.wikia.com/wiki/Canada Some of the roaming options on there look a bit better.

nojvek 9y ago
I guess Canada doesn't have the population to scale the cost down. It's a huuuuuge country with a big spread of people. $50 for couple of gigs is insane. I pay $50 with T-mobile for unlimited everything except international calls. You could say unlimited for 20 gigs before I get a bandwidth cap which is still usable. LTE speeds are faster than my home Internet with Frontier Fios
- Raphmedia 9y ago
  The issue is that whenever resellers pop up in metropolitan areas with great prices they get aggressively acquired by the big players and prices stay up.
  - brokenmachine 9y ago
    I'm just not sure how this works. AFAICT there's four networks in Canada. Why would they onsell their network, then have to acquire the company to stop the competition? Why not just not onsell it in the first place? Maybe there's some regulation saying they have to onsell it? Just curious because it seems a bit similar in Australia. I was with Vodafone then discovered a much better deal through Kogan which uses the Vodafone network. I asked Vodafone to match the deal to keep me as a customer, and they couldn't! They wanted me to pay something like 30% more for the same network/data usage. I told them thanks but no thanks.
    - Raphmedia 9y ago
      e.g. Public Mobile would have a small network that operated only in cities and metropolitan areas. Unlimited data, unlimited talk time over the entire Canada and unlimited text messages. This cost me around $35/month. Telus purchased them and changed it down to 1gb of data and incrased the price to around $40-45. They killed all the Public Mobile physical stores and made it so that getting support was a pain. A few month ago every Public Mobile clients received a SMS. The SMS was a promotion to switch from Public Mobile to Koodo. We would get the same deal we had right now (or better price), a new cellphone and $150 in Koodo store credits to get goodies. Everyone switched over. Right now I'm on a $50/month plan with Koodo that is worst than the $35/month PublicMobile could give me. Now nobody offers unlimited data or Canada wide data for $35. (Disclaimer: I have a bad memory for dates and prices. This should however describe the situation correctly enough.)
      - brokenmachine 9y ago
        But how could Public Mobile afford to offer such a good deal? Presumably they were onselling another companies network, why would that company sell their own network so cheap?
- mast 9y ago
  I don't think it has anything to do with size or population. Compare Canada with Australia. Canada's area is roughly 10 million km^2. In 2015, the population of Canada was ~36 million (3.6 people/km^2). Australia has an area of 7.7 million km^2 and a 2015 population of 24 million (3.1 people/km^2). These numbers don't even take into consideration of the fact that 75% of all Canadians live within 200 km of the US border. Assuming the population in the south subsidizes the cost for expanding to remote locations it's hard to believe we need to pay as much as we do. Canadians pay too much because the big companies like Bell and Rogers control the networks and push out competition. They charge as much as they want and we just accept it. I currently do not own a cellphone (even though I'd like one) because I'm not willing to pay the fees.

by iicc 9y ago

nojvek 9y ago

I guess Canada doesn't have the population to scale the cost down. It's a huuuuuge country with a big spread of people. $50 for couple of gigs is insane. I pay $50 with T-mobile for unlimited everything except international calls. You could say unlimited for 20 gigs before I get a bandwidth cap which is still usable. LTE speeds are faster than my home Internet with Frontier Fios

Raphmedia 9y ago
The issue is that whenever resellers pop up in metropolitan areas with great prices they get aggressively acquired by the big players and prices stay up.
- brokenmachine 9y ago
  I'm just not sure how this works. AFAICT there's four networks in Canada. Why would they onsell their network, then have to acquire the company to stop the competition? Why not just not onsell it in the first place? Maybe there's some regulation saying they have to onsell it? Just curious because it seems a bit similar in Australia. I was with Vodafone then discovered a much better deal through Kogan which uses the Vodafone network. I asked Vodafone to match the deal to keep me as a customer, and they couldn't! They wanted me to pay something like 30% more for the same network/data usage. I told them thanks but no thanks.
  - Raphmedia 9y ago
    e.g. Public Mobile would have a small network that operated only in cities and metropolitan areas. Unlimited data, unlimited talk time over the entire Canada and unlimited text messages. This cost me around $35/month. Telus purchased them and changed it down to 1gb of data and incrased the price to around $40-45. They killed all the Public Mobile physical stores and made it so that getting support was a pain. A few month ago every Public Mobile clients received a SMS. The SMS was a promotion to switch from Public Mobile to Koodo. We would get the same deal we had right now (or better price), a new cellphone and $150 in Koodo store credits to get goodies. Everyone switched over. Right now I'm on a $50/month plan with Koodo that is worst than the $35/month PublicMobile could give me. Now nobody offers unlimited data or Canada wide data for $35. (Disclaimer: I have a bad memory for dates and prices. This should however describe the situation correctly enough.)
    - brokenmachine 9y ago
      But how could Public Mobile afford to offer such a good deal? Presumably they were onselling another companies network, why would that company sell their own network so cheap?
mast 9y ago
I don't think it has anything to do with size or population. Compare Canada with Australia. Canada's area is roughly 10 million km^2. In 2015, the population of Canada was ~36 million (3.6 people/km^2). Australia has an area of 7.7 million km^2 and a 2015 population of 24 million (3.1 people/km^2). These numbers don't even take into consideration of the fact that 75% of all Canadians live within 200 km of the US border. Assuming the population in the south subsidizes the cost for expanding to remote locations it's hard to believe we need to pay as much as we do. Canadians pay too much because the big companies like Bell and Rogers control the networks and push out competition. They charge as much as they want and we just accept it. I currently do not own a cellphone (even though I'd like one) because I'm not willing to pay the fees.