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> that Jews don't accept any debate about the exact "6 million" number in the dominant narrative It's not just "the Jews", any educated westerner would balk at
by Asooka 10y ago
> that Jews don't accept any debate about the exact "6 million" number in the dominant narrative
It's not just "the Jews", any educated westerner would balk at the very idea that the number can be questioned. It doesn't sit particularly well with me, since I find it hard to believe things I can't doubt, though the immensity of the evil of the Nazi regime is itself pretty obvious.
The value of efforts like these is that we can have a scientific record proving how many were killed and where, so that we can have an iron-clad defence to show people who could otherwise be swayed by holocaust denier tracts. Rather than turn away, say sorry, and comfort the few victims that come forward, we have to face head-on the actions of our ancestors, collect and document their deeds scientifically and build a proven historical record. Treating a historical subject, any subject, as taboo, leads to history being written by propaganda, and no matter how intentional that propaganda is, it makes us ultimately no better than the Nazis themselves.
- lr4444lr 10y agoI agree, making the topic taboo fuels the denialists. I beg you to reconsider the notion that the numbers killed in the holocaust is a closed topic. Even the article quoted elsewhere on this forum (which appears to me to exploit Wiesenthal's actual view by quoting it out of context) if you read through notes that no less a holocaust denialist fighter than Deborah Lipstadt is even open to discussion on this topic when it comes to authoritative and informed discussion about making these estimations. My point is just that Holocaust denialism and anti-Jewish bigotry makes its wedge into discourse as classic F.U.D. People make a few unsourced, innocuous sounding comments, put in some well-known weasel words, wait to be challenged, and cry "cover up/bias".
- Asooka 10y agoMy original post has been downvoted. I consider the topic well and truly closed until at least another 50 years have passed. I feel mostly safe bringing it up in an anonymous setting where only my fake internet points will suffer, but I would absolutely never bring it up in real life.
- lr4444lr 10y agoFor the record, I upvoted you. Your intentions clearly weren't negative.