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It's in the 3rd paragraph, no?

by rcpt 10y ago

tome 10y ago
No. It categorically does not say that remembering non-Jewish victims diminishes the memory of the holocaust. It says that commemorating non-Jewish victims at that specific monument diminishes the memory of the holocaust vis-à-vis that specific monument. Anyone who's happy to make the former interpretation needs to look very carefully at their motivations.
- redsummer 10y ago
  Uh-huh. The same hilarious double think is in evidence in Israel - building a Museum of Tolerance on a Muslim cemetry: http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/a-special-place-in-hell/visit-jerusalem-s-new-museum-of-tolerance-feel-your-blood-boil.premium-1.434968 http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/a-special-place-in-hell/visit-j...
  - tome 10y ago
    > Anyone who's happy to make the former interpretation needs to look very carefully at their motivations. ... and I was proved correct in literally the next comment.
    - redsummer 10y ago
      In my experience, the blinkers on white South Africans during apartheid and Jewish Israelis seem to be constructed in the same way. In that sense I don't blame Israelis for wanting to build a Museum of Tolerance on a Muslim cemetry - that's just how they have been brought up. Just their culture. It's no wonder Israel supplied apartheid South Africa with nuclear weapons. They had a shared philosophy.
      - tome 10y ago
        There's so much wrong here I don't know where to start.
- duncanawoods 10y ago
  The stated reason does suggest they believe non-Jewish groups are less deserving of remembrance: These people are not in the same category as Jewish people with regards to the Holocaust,” Hikind said following a press conference at the memorial. “It is so vastly different. You cannot compare political prisoners with Jewish victims.” The proviso I would add is that NYP a muck-racking rag that delights in outrage and controversy. I would be very skeptical it is giving a full and fair account of the individual's views. Anyone who's happy to make the former interpretation needs to look very carefully at their motivations. I don't believe the parent is making unfair interpretation of the actual article content. Using that as a source is somewhat suspect but any discussion of anything holocaust, Jewish or Israeli leads to accusations of anti-semitism these days. Its a problem, please be charitable.
  - redsummer 10y ago
    The guy in question - Dov Hikind - seems quite open in his views. He's a follower of the terrorist group Jewish Defense League who has some odd views that @tome will probably be happy to explain to you as misunderstood :) http://gawker.com/5986773/assemblyman-dov-hikind-king-of-one-way-sensitivity-partied-in-blackface-yesterday http://gawker.com/5986773/assemblyman-dov-hikind-king-of-one...
    - tome 10y ago
      I certainly repudiate Kahane and the JDL. That just makes your argument even weaker though. If you have to use a member of a fringe extremist group as an example to slander Jews then you're not standing on very firm ground.
      - redsummer 10y ago
        I don't know what to say about your prickly confused paranoia. I have no need to 'slander Jews'. If I were to criticise a Christian fundamentalist would I be 'slandering Christianity'? If I were to criticise a Jihadist would I be 'slandering Islam'. Should I be told to shut up? Look, the guy you have supported here is open in his support of Kahane and the JDL. That's just the territory you occupy.

It's in the 3rd paragraph, no?

by rcpt 10y ago

It's in the 3rd paragraph, no?

tome 10y ago

No. It categorically does not say that remembering non-Jewish victims diminishes the memory of the holocaust. It says that commemorating non-Jewish victims at that specific monument diminishes the memory of the holocaust vis-à-vis that specific monument. Anyone who's happy to make the former interpretation needs to look very carefully at their motivations.

redsummer 10y ago
Uh-huh. The same hilarious double think is in evidence in Israel - building a Museum of Tolerance on a Muslim cemetry: http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/a-special-place-in-hell/visit-jerusalem-s-new-museum-of-tolerance-feel-your-blood-boil.premium-1.434968 http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/a-special-place-in-hell/visit-j...
- tome 10y ago
  > Anyone who's happy to make the former interpretation needs to look very carefully at their motivations. ... and I was proved correct in literally the next comment.
  - redsummer 10y ago
    In my experience, the blinkers on white South Africans during apartheid and Jewish Israelis seem to be constructed in the same way. In that sense I don't blame Israelis for wanting to build a Museum of Tolerance on a Muslim cemetry - that's just how they have been brought up. Just their culture. It's no wonder Israel supplied apartheid South Africa with nuclear weapons. They had a shared philosophy.
    - tome 10y ago
      There's so much wrong here I don't know where to start.
duncanawoods 10y ago
The stated reason does suggest they believe non-Jewish groups are less deserving of remembrance: These people are not in the same category as Jewish people with regards to the Holocaust,” Hikind said following a press conference at the memorial. “It is so vastly different. You cannot compare political prisoners with Jewish victims.” The proviso I would add is that NYP a muck-racking rag that delights in outrage and controversy. I would be very skeptical it is giving a full and fair account of the individual's views. Anyone who's happy to make the former interpretation needs to look very carefully at their motivations. I don't believe the parent is making unfair interpretation of the actual article content. Using that as a source is somewhat suspect but any discussion of anything holocaust, Jewish or Israeli leads to accusations of anti-semitism these days. Its a problem, please be charitable.
- redsummer 10y ago
  The guy in question - Dov Hikind - seems quite open in his views. He's a follower of the terrorist group Jewish Defense League who has some odd views that @tome will probably be happy to explain to you as misunderstood :) http://gawker.com/5986773/assemblyman-dov-hikind-king-of-one-way-sensitivity-partied-in-blackface-yesterday http://gawker.com/5986773/assemblyman-dov-hikind-king-of-one...
  - tome 10y ago
    I certainly repudiate Kahane and the JDL. That just makes your argument even weaker though. If you have to use a member of a fringe extremist group as an example to slander Jews then you're not standing on very firm ground.
    - redsummer 10y ago
      I don't know what to say about your prickly confused paranoia. I have no need to 'slander Jews'. If I were to criticise a Christian fundamentalist would I be 'slandering Christianity'? If I were to criticise a Jihadist would I be 'slandering Islam'. Should I be told to shut up? Look, the guy you have supported here is open in his support of Kahane and the JDL. That's just the territory you occupy.