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The source for the 97% claim is usually the Cook2013 survey. Is a phrase like '...carbon sequestration in soil is important for mitigating global climate change

by qznc 10y ago

The source for the 97% claim is usually the Cook2013 survey. Is a phrase like '...carbon sequestration in soil is important for mitigating global climate change' in a paper abstract really enough to be counted part of the 97%? Some of the surveyed authors disagree with their classification [0,1]. Cook2013: http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/8/2/024024 http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/8/2/0240... [0] http://www.populartechnology.net/2013/05/97-study-falsely-classifies-scientists.html http://www.populartechnology.net/2013/05/97-study-falsely-cl... [1] http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/11/4/048001 http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/11/4/048...

fictioncircle 10y ago
The most recent study (2015) on your second link that is a literal survey has 93.7% consensus. The next valid study in (2014) is 87%. It then throws in a study that includes people who aren't scientists with lower numbers. Then you have Cook. Then you have another study with 90% consensus. Then another two more that includes non-scientists. Then one with a different question. Then one with a 100% consensus based on published scientists. Then another one that includes non-scientists. The range is from 87% to 100% consensus with 2 of 5 at 97% or greater. I understand you are trying to argue I'm wrong but the moment you start referencing personal blogs and studies that include non-scientists, you aren't really debunking what I said to any great degree and none of the years overlap sufficiently so its really a charge of a trend of belief over time combined with different methodologies. 100% -> 90% -> 97% -> 87% -> 93.7% That makes perfect sense given science is always going to uncover new evidence that there was some variation over a 15 year period.

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The source for the 97% claim is usually the Cook2013 survey. Is a phrase like '...carbon sequestration in soil is important for mitigating global climate change

by qznc 10y ago

fictioncircle 10y ago
The most recent study (2015) on your second link that is a literal survey has 93.7% consensus. The next valid study in (2014) is 87%. It then throws in a study that includes people who aren't scientists with lower numbers. Then you have Cook. Then you have another study with 90% consensus. Then another two more that includes non-scientists. Then one with a different question. Then one with a 100% consensus based on published scientists. Then another one that includes non-scientists. The range is from 87% to 100% consensus with 2 of 5 at 97% or greater. I understand you are trying to argue I'm wrong but the moment you start referencing personal blogs and studies that include non-scientists, you aren't really debunking what I said to any great degree and none of the years overlap sufficiently so its really a charge of a trend of belief over time combined with different methodologies. 100% -> 90% -> 97% -> 87% -> 93.7% That makes perfect sense given science is always going to uncover new evidence that there was some variation over a 15 year period.