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There is an unvoiced logic here that I question. The contention is that a CEO saves $x million, and thereby 'earns' some [preposterous] fraction thereof, as a

There is an unvoiced logic here that I question. The contention is that a CEO saves $x million, and thereby 'earns' some [preposterous] fraction thereof, as a finders' fee. This is a similar logic to a broker taking a percentage of a large market transaction. That part I disagree with and think many upset about CEO compensation (or market speculators/industry windfalls) is that this is earning in any meaningful way. In particular, the presumption that there is some intrinsic relationship between the compensation earned and the numbers transacted seems baseless. The CEO and market trader alike do not provide the value; they are simply in a desk where the numbers are large. The reason a CEO can 'save millions or make billions' is merely because they have been seated where their quotidian decisions (however talented) have disproportionate leverage and consequence. That is not a result of ability or skill, except in the unconvincing sense that they had the skill to weasel (my word) their way into that desk, nominally on personal merit, in fact, usually by virtue of connection and political merit. That sort of 'earning' does not pass the smell test for most of us who have not lucked into those seats, and never shall.

nnfy 10y ago
So management in general doesn't deserve more than $X? CEOs do much more than simply broker deals, and the rest is explained by basic market principles-good CEOs are scarce, and therefore well compensated.
- learc83 10y ago
  There's much more to it than that. Executive compensation doesn't correlate well to company performance. Companies are historically horrible determining what makes a good CEO. Other potential explanations for inflated CEO pay (relative to previous decades) include executive compensation boards staffed by executives in similar positions from other companies, and boards that want to keep up appearances by having a highly paid CEO.
  - TheOtherHobbes 10y ago
    I think the latter is the real reason for insane comps. The logic seems to be: Rich CEO = successful company = investor opportunity No one cares about the shlubs doing the actual work. Indeed, a lot of the time no one cares about the actual work, or the long-term prospects of success.
tertius 10y ago
I would make the contention that it is up to the company and the board of the company to decide the compensation of any of it's employees, including the CEOs. "Luck" has a lot to do with it, but it also has a lot to do with many other types of success that most people don't have problems with.
- michaelmrose 10y ago
  "I would make the contention that it is up to the company and the board of the company to decide the compensation of any of it's employees, including the CEOs." Is it any shock that a class of people value people in their own set over the people that actually do the work?
- jernfrost 10y ago
  It is largely random, and heavily influenced by culture. E.g. CEOs in different countries make vastly different salaries yet don't have noticeable difference in performance or outcomes. CEO salaries has more to do with political ideology of a country than market realities. It is no coincidence that the country were people have the most unrelenting belief in the magic powers of the individual, America, also pays their CEOs the highest. Also no coincidence it happened after the 80s philosophy of "greed is good". Research, logic, and reason simply doesn't support the myth of the CEO. But board members and CEOs themselves like to indulge in that myth.

nnfy 10y ago

So management in general doesn't deserve more than $X? CEOs do much more than simply broker deals, and the rest is explained by basic market principles-good CEOs are scarce, and therefore well compensated.

learc83 10y ago
There's much more to it than that. Executive compensation doesn't correlate well to company performance. Companies are historically horrible determining what makes a good CEO. Other potential explanations for inflated CEO pay (relative to previous decades) include executive compensation boards staffed by executives in similar positions from other companies, and boards that want to keep up appearances by having a highly paid CEO.
- TheOtherHobbes 10y ago
  I think the latter is the real reason for insane comps. The logic seems to be: Rich CEO = successful company = investor opportunity No one cares about the shlubs doing the actual work. Indeed, a lot of the time no one cares about the actual work, or the long-term prospects of success.

tertius 10y ago

I would make the contention that it is up to the company and the board of the company to decide the compensation of any of it's employees, including the CEOs. "Luck" has a lot to do with it, but it also has a lot to do with many other types of success that most people don't have problems with.

michaelmrose 10y ago
"I would make the contention that it is up to the company and the board of the company to decide the compensation of any of it's employees, including the CEOs." Is it any shock that a class of people value people in their own set over the people that actually do the work?
jernfrost 10y ago
It is largely random, and heavily influenced by culture. E.g. CEOs in different countries make vastly different salaries yet don't have noticeable difference in performance or outcomes. CEO salaries has more to do with political ideology of a country than market realities. It is no coincidence that the country were people have the most unrelenting belief in the magic powers of the individual, America, also pays their CEOs the highest. Also no coincidence it happened after the 80s philosophy of "greed is good". Research, logic, and reason simply doesn't support the myth of the CEO. But board members and CEOs themselves like to indulge in that myth.