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I wonder if commuting by BART constitutes a "good cause" w/r/t California's concealed-carry law. I doubt it, but it'd be kind of funny to hear a court say out

I wonder if commuting by BART constitutes a "good cause" w/r/t California's concealed-carry law. I doubt it, but it'd be kind of funny to hear a court say out loud that in Alameda County, "exposure to risk of coordinated gang train robbery" doesn't constitute a "non-mainstream circumstance" placing one in harm's way.

dmix 9y ago
I highly doubt that in California and SF in particular, with their strict gun laws, but I could be wrong. These flash mob robberies are quite common on the east coast. I've heard about a number of them in Philadelphia on reddit where a group of 'youths' shows up and attacks people. It's a surprisingly little reported on phenomenon. Yet it sounds quite psychologically jarring.
- millermp12 9y ago
  "It's a surprisingly little reported on phenomenon." Really not that surprising. The capacity to ignore anything that hurts the narrative is approaching delusional levels.
brainfire 9y ago
It doesn't get much more mainstream than "rides mass transit" in an urban area...
hirundo 9y ago
> I wonder if commuting by BART constitutes a "good cause" w/r/t California's concealed-carry law. Since the license is may-issue, it depends on the LEO you apply to. I was denied one on almost exactly these grounds. I told my local police chief that my business took me to high crime areas in San Francisco, and he said that wasn't good enough, and that I'd have to have evidence of a specific threat to my specific life to be considered for one.
Apocryphon 9y ago
Could a handgun really deter a crowd of 40 to 60 people? Especially if some might be packing heat themselves? Or could just overpower you regardless? There's situations where concealed carry could help but I'm not sure if this case is one of them.
- mullen 9y ago
  Crowds scatter when a gun comes out. No one sticks around to find out if it is real, fake or the holder is actually going use it.
  - Apocryphon 9y ago
    I think the counter is that when the crowd is the aggressor, you don't know if anyone in it has guns of their own. If they see you as a threat then they'd take you out in kind, and there's more of them.
    - hackermailman 9y ago
      Sounds better than doing nothing while hoping a mob stops beating your mother because she doesn't have anything to give them. Does any transit have actual security we give them millions per year where I live and there's not a visible cop in sight ever unless they are parked in front of a busy station handing out fines.
      - Apocryphon 9y ago
        If you're in a situation when the personal safety of you or someone else you're with is directly being compromised with physical assault, you'd better be fighting back with everything you've got, including your bare fists.
        dllthomas 9y ago
        ... maybe? You should be taking the course of action that's most likely to lead to the best outcomes. If it's one-on-60, it's not clear to me that fighting back is that course of action. (I really don't know what is best in that situation.)

dmix 9y ago

I highly doubt that in California and SF in particular, with their strict gun laws, but I could be wrong. These flash mob robberies are quite common on the east coast. I've heard about a number of them in Philadelphia on reddit where a group of 'youths' shows up and attacks people. It's a surprisingly little reported on phenomenon. Yet it sounds quite psychologically jarring.

millermp12 9y ago
"It's a surprisingly little reported on phenomenon." Really not that surprising. The capacity to ignore anything that hurts the narrative is approaching delusional levels.

brainfire 9y ago

It doesn't get much more mainstream than "rides mass transit" in an urban area...

hirundo 9y ago

> I wonder if commuting by BART constitutes a "good cause" w/r/t California's concealed-carry law. Since the license is may-issue, it depends on the LEO you apply to. I was denied one on almost exactly these grounds. I told my local police chief that my business took me to high crime areas in San Francisco, and he said that wasn't good enough, and that I'd have to have evidence of a specific threat to my specific life to be considered for one.

Apocryphon 9y ago

Could a handgun really deter a crowd of 40 to 60 people? Especially if some might be packing heat themselves? Or could just overpower you regardless? There's situations where concealed carry could help but I'm not sure if this case is one of them.

mullen 9y ago
Crowds scatter when a gun comes out. No one sticks around to find out if it is real, fake or the holder is actually going use it.
- Apocryphon 9y ago
  I think the counter is that when the crowd is the aggressor, you don't know if anyone in it has guns of their own. If they see you as a threat then they'd take you out in kind, and there's more of them.
  - hackermailman 9y ago
    Sounds better than doing nothing while hoping a mob stops beating your mother because she doesn't have anything to give them. Does any transit have actual security we give them millions per year where I live and there's not a visible cop in sight ever unless they are parked in front of a busy station handing out fines.
    - Apocryphon 9y ago
      If you're in a situation when the personal safety of you or someone else you're with is directly being compromised with physical assault, you'd better be fighting back with everything you've got, including your bare fists.
      - dllthomas 9y ago
        ... maybe? You should be taking the course of action that's most likely to lead to the best outcomes. If it's one-on-60, it's not clear to me that fighting back is that course of action. (I really don't know what is best in that situation.)