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I know quite a few App Store Developers and I don't think a single one would say that Apple does the following: > they keep developing better services, devices

by baldfat 10y ago

I know quite a few App Store Developers and I don't think a single one would say that Apple does the following: > they keep developing better services, devices, and platforms for devs to use (and, they give some of that away for very cheap or free). Follow the money and Apple, Google and Valve are making a killing off the backs of creators. The cost of delivery is what 1% if that?

CountSessine 10y ago
Follow the money and Apple, Google and Valve are making a killing off the backs of creators. The cost of delivery is what 1% if that? Well, if the cost of delivery and maintenance of these platforms is so low and the charge to developers is so high, why not arbitrage this? Create your own trusted multi-billion hardware/software platform with expedited payment and protection from cheating, and you can cut developers a better deal!
- baldfat 10y ago
  Twitch is, gog.com, gamersgate.com, humblebundle.com, and etc. etc. etc.
ryanwaggoner 10y ago
I'm an iOS developer and I'd definitely say that. I think you should forget about "hard" costs. They're completely irrelevant to how valuable something is.
- abdulmuhaimin 10y ago
  You're right. This is something that annoys me me when people evaluate thing. The values of something is of much more important thing than just cost. Its like punishing poeple who optimize things to reduce cost
vacri 10y ago
Apple, Google, and Valve are creators, and they're also providing the service of being middlemen for you. They deal with hosting, serving, taking payments, so on and so forth. There are AAA companies that have found Steam so much better for distribution that they no longer sell any other way (look at Paradox Studios, for example). And while you're locked into Apple (not that anyone is forcing you - and Apple basically created that whole industry), with Google and Valve, you're free to run your own setup and deal with all the middleman stuff yourself. 30% to hop onto their infrastructure and let them deal with bad payments is a pretty good deal. In short, you can always tell the people inexperienced in business in these conversations, because they think that 30% is a crushing 'take'. 30% is actually pretty damn good - normally in retail it's what you'd get, rather than what they'd take.
scarface74 10y ago
In the case of Google and Valve, if developers think that the commissions are too high they could always try to sell the software on their own site.....
eastWestMath 10y ago
They make the hardware and the operating system!

by baldfat 10y ago

CountSessine 10y ago

Follow the money and Apple, Google and Valve are making a killing off the backs of creators. The cost of delivery is what 1% if that? Well, if the cost of delivery and maintenance of these platforms is so low and the charge to developers is so high, why not arbitrage this? Create your own trusted multi-billion hardware/software platform with expedited payment and protection from cheating, and you can cut developers a better deal!

baldfat 10y ago
Twitch is, gog.com, gamersgate.com, humblebundle.com, and etc. etc. etc.

ryanwaggoner 10y ago

I'm an iOS developer and I'd definitely say that. I think you should forget about "hard" costs. They're completely irrelevant to how valuable something is.

abdulmuhaimin 10y ago
You're right. This is something that annoys me me when people evaluate thing. The values of something is of much more important thing than just cost. Its like punishing poeple who optimize things to reduce cost

vacri 10y ago

Apple, Google, and Valve are creators, and they're also providing the service of being middlemen for you. They deal with hosting, serving, taking payments, so on and so forth. There are AAA companies that have found Steam so much better for distribution that they no longer sell any other way (look at Paradox Studios, for example). And while you're locked into Apple (not that anyone is forcing you - and Apple basically created that whole industry), with Google and Valve, you're free to run your own setup and deal with all the middleman stuff yourself. 30% to hop onto their infrastructure and let them deal with bad payments is a pretty good deal. In short, you can always tell the people inexperienced in business in these conversations, because they think that 30% is a crushing 'take'. 30% is actually pretty damn good - normally in retail it's what you'd get, rather than what they'd take.

scarface74 10y ago

In the case of Google and Valve, if developers think that the commissions are too high they could always try to sell the software on their own site.....

eastWestMath 10y ago

They make the hardware and the operating system!