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I don't use this forum with the intent to spread such persistent truths as that gay acts are gravely sinful or that human life possesses inherent dignity (somet

I don't use this forum with the intent to spread such persistent truths as that gay acts are gravely sinful or that human life possesses inherent dignity (something that popped up a few times as well). However, I do and will proclaim and defend truth provided I see a need. I hope to do this to the benefit of any readers, not simply to counter. To this end, and because of the importance, I hope never to let myself be pressured into desisting regardless of how unpopular it may become to resist.

urbanj 9y ago
> such persistent truths as that gay acts are gravely sinful That's not a truth, and it's only persistent in the mind of bigots. Shame on you and your warped view of divinity.
DonHopkins 9y ago
>I don't [do what I am doing in the same sentence]. However, I do [it again]. I hope to do this [for your own good]. To this end, [I won't stop, even after being politely asked to by a moderator (dang), because I am the victim]. You are already on record as using this forum to "provoke souls", and you have already been politely asked to provoke souls somewhere else. Unless you can offer some objective proof that gay sex is a sin, what you're doing is no different than the actions of a schoolyard bully taunting and calling people names. The suicide rate among gays is way too high without your help [1]. Take it elsewhere, or better yet, never do it again, anywhere. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_among_LGBT_youth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_among_LGBT_youth "The Suicide Prevention Resource Center synthesized these studies and estimated that between 5 and 10% of LGBT youth, depending on age and sex groups, have attempted suicide, a rate 1.5-3 times higher than heterosexual youth." "Bullying of LGBT youth has been shown to be a contributing factor in many suicides, even if not all of the attacks have been specifically addressing sexuality or gender." Savin-Williams, Ritch C (1994). "Verbal and physical abuse as stressors in the lives of lesbian, gay male, and bisexual youths: Associations with school problems, running away, substance abuse, prostitution, and suicide". Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology. 62 (2): 261–269. doi:10.1037/0022-006X.62.2.261. [2] http://blog.ycombinator.com/meet-the-people-taking-over-hacker-news/ http://blog.ycombinator.com/meet-the-people-taking-over-hack...
- paxcoder 9y ago
  I must say you're conflating my conversations, and misinterpreting my words. I don't think it needs explaining, but if you disagree, I am willing to say (and repeat) exactly where and how. Instead, here I will just point out that you're now equating talking about sin to bullying. This is harmful because it puts reconciliation with God out of sight and out of mind, but also because it tells bullies they are "no different" than those fighting sin: With blowing things out of proportion like this, you are doing an additional disservice to those sinners you're purporting to support. Note that I was generalizing because your argument allows it - at least to, say, pre-marital sex. And while there is a difference in subject sensitivity, I am not being a bully by simply countering the world when it claims either of these things are acceptable. One's cross is much greater another's, but so is the reward. No surrender, try again.
  - DonHopkins 9y ago
    You were already warned several times by a moderator that this is not the place for you to "provoke souls" with your religious harangue and unsubstantive comments, yet you continued to argue with him. You just directly contradicted yourself in the first sentence of your previous reply, as I already pointed out, by falsely claiming that "I don't use this forum with the intent to spread..." and then continuing on to do just that in the same sentence by mischaracterizing your religious bigotry and unsubstantiated falsehoods as "persistent truths", which they most certainly are not. Calling people sinners and telling them their souls are compromised is bullying and religious harangue, no matter how hard you try to justify it by proselytizing and appealing to your iron age religious prejudices, and this is absolutely not the place for it here. You have also made it very clear that you have no intention of following the rules of this site or abiding by any of the repeated polite warnings the administrator gave you to "please provoke souls somewhere else", to "please stop posting unsubstantive comments", and that "continuing will get your account banned, so please stop." I don't "purport to support" sinners, because "sinner" is just an offensive name with which you choose to taunt and harangue people of whom you don't approve. I am flagging your post as offensive and as breaking the rules, and if you reply again in the same manner that makes it clear you have no intention of following the rules and every intention of continuing to call people names and harass them with your religious bigotry, then I will flag your reply too. If you apologize for repeatedly breaking the rules and attempting to bully people, and finally end the conversation, I won't flag or reply to that.

urbanj 9y ago

> such persistent truths as that gay acts are gravely sinful That's not a truth, and it's only persistent in the mind of bigots. Shame on you and your warped view of divinity.

DonHopkins 9y ago

>I don't [do what I am doing in the same sentence]. However, I do [it again]. I hope to do this [for your own good]. To this end, [I won't stop, even after being politely asked to by a moderator (dang), because I am the victim]. You are already on record as using this forum to "provoke souls", and you have already been politely asked to provoke souls somewhere else. Unless you can offer some objective proof that gay sex is a sin, what you're doing is no different than the actions of a schoolyard bully taunting and calling people names. The suicide rate among gays is way too high without your help [1]. Take it elsewhere, or better yet, never do it again, anywhere. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_among_LGBT_youth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_among_LGBT_youth "The Suicide Prevention Resource Center synthesized these studies and estimated that between 5 and 10% of LGBT youth, depending on age and sex groups, have attempted suicide, a rate 1.5-3 times higher than heterosexual youth." "Bullying of LGBT youth has been shown to be a contributing factor in many suicides, even if not all of the attacks have been specifically addressing sexuality or gender." Savin-Williams, Ritch C (1994). "Verbal and physical abuse as stressors in the lives of lesbian, gay male, and bisexual youths: Associations with school problems, running away, substance abuse, prostitution, and suicide". Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology. 62 (2): 261–269. doi:10.1037/0022-006X.62.2.261. [2] http://blog.ycombinator.com/meet-the-people-taking-over-hacker-news/ http://blog.ycombinator.com/meet-the-people-taking-over-hack...

paxcoder 9y ago
I must say you're conflating my conversations, and misinterpreting my words. I don't think it needs explaining, but if you disagree, I am willing to say (and repeat) exactly where and how. Instead, here I will just point out that you're now equating talking about sin to bullying. This is harmful because it puts reconciliation with God out of sight and out of mind, but also because it tells bullies they are "no different" than those fighting sin: With blowing things out of proportion like this, you are doing an additional disservice to those sinners you're purporting to support. Note that I was generalizing because your argument allows it - at least to, say, pre-marital sex. And while there is a difference in subject sensitivity, I am not being a bully by simply countering the world when it claims either of these things are acceptable. One's cross is much greater another's, but so is the reward. No surrender, try again.
- DonHopkins 9y ago
  You were already warned several times by a moderator that this is not the place for you to "provoke souls" with your religious harangue and unsubstantive comments, yet you continued to argue with him. You just directly contradicted yourself in the first sentence of your previous reply, as I already pointed out, by falsely claiming that "I don't use this forum with the intent to spread..." and then continuing on to do just that in the same sentence by mischaracterizing your religious bigotry and unsubstantiated falsehoods as "persistent truths", which they most certainly are not. Calling people sinners and telling them their souls are compromised is bullying and religious harangue, no matter how hard you try to justify it by proselytizing and appealing to your iron age religious prejudices, and this is absolutely not the place for it here. You have also made it very clear that you have no intention of following the rules of this site or abiding by any of the repeated polite warnings the administrator gave you to "please provoke souls somewhere else", to "please stop posting unsubstantive comments", and that "continuing will get your account banned, so please stop." I don't "purport to support" sinners, because "sinner" is just an offensive name with which you choose to taunt and harangue people of whom you don't approve. I am flagging your post as offensive and as breaking the rules, and if you reply again in the same manner that makes it clear you have no intention of following the rules and every intention of continuing to call people names and harass them with your religious bigotry, then I will flag your reply too. If you apologize for repeatedly breaking the rules and attempting to bully people, and finally end the conversation, I won't flag or reply to that.