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> Do you have any citations where you own a physical copy and use an identical digital copy from a different physical source a breach of copyright? https://www

> Do you have any citations where you own a physical copy and use an identical digital copy from a different physical source a breach of copyright? https://www.nintendo.com/corp/legal.jsp#copy_illegal https://www.nintendo.com/corp/legal.jsp#copy_illegal

Karunamon 9y ago
The party in question saying "Yes yes, that's illegal" isn't worth the bytes used to transmit the message.
- UnfalseDesign 9y ago
  I see your point. However, these are the lawyers of the party that sold their consumers the license to play the game. Remember, you don't actually own the game. You own a license to play the game on the medium you purchased. If the company that sold you the license also says that copying the game to a different medium and playing it there is not part of the original license, they kind of are allowed to say that. Note: I'm not saying I like it! I'm just saying it is the way it is.
  - chc 9y ago
    This "you have no rights but what we decide you have" view of ownership is what Nintendo would like you to think, but it's untrue in varying degrees depending on jurisdiction.
  - Karunamon 9y ago
    You own a license to play the game on the medium you purchased. Copyright law in the US includes the concept of fair use, which includes rights that the owner doesn't get a say in. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/107 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/107
chc 9y ago
That's not a very useful citation. Nintendo takes an extremely expansive view of copyright (for example, they try to prevent commentators from using clips from their games in YouTube videos), is not an authoritative source, and is not exactly an impartial commentator on this matter.
- UnfalseDesign 9y ago
  I didn't mean it as a source of commentary on the matter. I meant it as a statement on the legality of making copies from the company that sold the licenses for playing the games to the general public.
  - chc 9y ago
    If I say you are legally obligated to give me $100 if you read my comments, and link to the comment where I said it as proof that you're obligated, will you believe you're obligated to give me $100? I own the copyright on my writings, after all. Copyright holders are not gods. The idea that their word is gospel is patently false. And in the specific case of Nintendo, they are even less reliable then most in terms of accurately communicating your rights to you. Nintendo have very little respect for copyright law as it actually exists, and instead try to assert whatever rights they wish they had and hope nobody fights them on it.
    - UnfalseDesign 9y ago
      Reading over your response, I think we are talking about two different things. You appear to be talking about copyright protection. Remember that when you purchase a game, you don't purchase the copyright. You purchase a license to play a copyrighted game on a particular medium. (That part of the game instruction manual we all skipped past as kids.) I don't have access to one of those licenses at the moment but if you happen to have one of them from one of the old NES games, I would be very interested in knowing if it has a section that states that the consumer has a right to backup the game onto another medium and play it there. Again, you seem to be talking about copyright. I'm talking about the legal rights of the consumer when they purchased the license (game) from Nintendo. This is a good discussion, though.

Karunamon 9y ago

The party in question saying "Yes yes, that's illegal" isn't worth the bytes used to transmit the message.

UnfalseDesign 9y ago
I see your point. However, these are the lawyers of the party that sold their consumers the license to play the game. Remember, you don't actually own the game. You own a license to play the game on the medium you purchased. If the company that sold you the license also says that copying the game to a different medium and playing it there is not part of the original license, they kind of are allowed to say that. Note: I'm not saying I like it! I'm just saying it is the way it is.
- chc 9y ago
  This "you have no rights but what we decide you have" view of ownership is what Nintendo would like you to think, but it's untrue in varying degrees depending on jurisdiction.
- Karunamon 9y ago
  You own a license to play the game on the medium you purchased. Copyright law in the US includes the concept of fair use, which includes rights that the owner doesn't get a say in. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/107 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/107

chc 9y ago

That's not a very useful citation. Nintendo takes an extremely expansive view of copyright (for example, they try to prevent commentators from using clips from their games in YouTube videos), is not an authoritative source, and is not exactly an impartial commentator on this matter.

UnfalseDesign 9y ago
I didn't mean it as a source of commentary on the matter. I meant it as a statement on the legality of making copies from the company that sold the licenses for playing the games to the general public.
- chc 9y ago
  If I say you are legally obligated to give me $100 if you read my comments, and link to the comment where I said it as proof that you're obligated, will you believe you're obligated to give me $100? I own the copyright on my writings, after all. Copyright holders are not gods. The idea that their word is gospel is patently false. And in the specific case of Nintendo, they are even less reliable then most in terms of accurately communicating your rights to you. Nintendo have very little respect for copyright law as it actually exists, and instead try to assert whatever rights they wish they had and hope nobody fights them on it.
  - UnfalseDesign 9y ago
    Reading over your response, I think we are talking about two different things. You appear to be talking about copyright protection. Remember that when you purchase a game, you don't purchase the copyright. You purchase a license to play a copyrighted game on a particular medium. (That part of the game instruction manual we all skipped past as kids.) I don't have access to one of those licenses at the moment but if you happen to have one of them from one of the old NES games, I would be very interested in knowing if it has a section that states that the consumer has a right to backup the game onto another medium and play it there. Again, you seem to be talking about copyright. I'm talking about the legal rights of the consumer when they purchased the license (game) from Nintendo. This is a good discussion, though.