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Indeed, that's an assault rifle, predecessor to the M16. Only available as semi-automatic for civilian, if not modified. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-15_va

Indeed, that's an assault rifle, predecessor to the M16. Only available as semi-automatic for civilian, if not modified. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-15_variant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-15_variant I don't know how you American call that, but I'd consider that as war equipment.

grzm 10y ago
I don't know how you American call that, but I'd consider that as war equipment. The rest of your comment is informative and adds to the discussion. Your parent is making a similar point, which you expand on. This last statement you add is can be read as inflammatory. Gun discussions are contentious enough as it is, particularly on the internet, and they all to often derail into all manner of increasingly flamewar topics which are tangential to the story. Can you clarify why you added this?
- user5994461 10y ago
  Because there are different culture surrounding firearms, particular classifications and regulations. In most countries, this sort of equipment is definitely classified as war guns. You are prohibited from possessing one, let alone use it. In the USA, it's more opened, some stuff you can buy, some stuff you can't buy, not sure where this one is. I believe it's being discussed in another thread here. This has implications on the story. Knowing the kind of weapon and the local norms would give more context about the situation. Expect the police to react differently against a handgun and a military grade assault rifle (not the same type of individual on the other side either). Judging by the "hundreds of rounds", it might have been modified to automatic or it's an old model.
  - tomschlick 10y ago
    > Judging by the "hundreds of rounds", it might have been modified to automatic or it's an old model. Most likely not, you can empty 30 round mags in 15 seconds or so.
    - user5994461 10y ago
      Correct me if I am wrong but this weapon doesn't come with 30 round mags and these mags are not easily accessible for sale.
      - grzm 10y ago
        Depends on where you are. In some states 30 round magazines are quite easy to come by. A quick internet search will provide many legal retailers.
      - Rebelgecko 10y ago
        In California, where this took place, we're allowed to have 30 round magazines for a few more months. Even if he only had 10 round magazines, reloading really doesn't take that long (even with a bullet button)
tomschlick 10y ago
"Assault Rifle" is a defined term as well which is basically the same as "machine gun". Both require the weapon to be "select fire" which means it can be set to fire more than one round per trigger pull. An AR-15 is neither an Assault Rifle nor a Machine Gun. In actuality, an AR-15 is the same as any other semi-automatic rifle in function. It just looks scarier so it's treated different than others. For example, many states list the AR-15 as an "assault weapon" (made up term with no concrete definition) but don't list the Mini-14. They both fire the same round, accept the same magazines, and have the same rate of fire but the Mini-14 typically has a wooden stock which makes it "less scary" to people. I hate that I have to be a stickler for defined terms, but on the topic of guns there is so much misinformation out there that us gun people try to correct it whenever we can.
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- dragonwriter 10y ago
  > "Assault Rifle" is a defined term as well which is basically the same as "machine gun". The usual definition is quite distinct from the usual definition of machine gun. > Both require the weapon to be "select fire" which means it can be set to fire more than one round per trigger pull. Actually, no; the term is "selective fire", and while that's part of the usual definition of an assault rifle (which typically have semiautomatic, burst, and sometimes full-auto modes), it's not for machine gun, and machine guns are quite often full-auto only. An assault rifle also is a weapons that is deisgned to be fired unsupported (though it may also integrate a bipod) and which has a fixed, folding, or telescoping butt stock. While a machine gun may have none of those things, and may be designed to be fired only mounted. > In actuality, an AR-15 is the same as any other semi-automatic rifle in function. AR-15 is problematic to categorize, since the original Armalite AR-15 is a selective-fire traditional assault rifle, and other rifles to which that moniker is applied (which is sometimes used as a catch-all for the whole family of variants of that original design, which the US military adopted as the M16 series, and the M4 series) may either also be selective-fire assault rifles or civilian variants of the same design with variations in a few key components that render them semi-auto only. At the same time, Colt currently markets a subset of it's line of civilian semi-automatic variations of that design as the AR-15 line (which was done after the Federal Assault Weapons ban specifically to take advantage of the AR-15 moniker's association with assault weapons.) > For example, many states list the AR-15 as an "assault weapon" (made up term with no concrete definition) Every state that has an "assault weapons" law also gives it concrete definitions. Typically, that's done by identifying both feature sets and a set of named existing weapons which are included (along with any copies or duplicates) regardless of whether they meet the feature sets.

grzm 10y ago

I don't know how you American call that, but I'd consider that as war equipment. The rest of your comment is informative and adds to the discussion. Your parent is making a similar point, which you expand on. This last statement you add is can be read as inflammatory. Gun discussions are contentious enough as it is, particularly on the internet, and they all to often derail into all manner of increasingly flamewar topics which are tangential to the story. Can you clarify why you added this?

user5994461 10y ago
Because there are different culture surrounding firearms, particular classifications and regulations. In most countries, this sort of equipment is definitely classified as war guns. You are prohibited from possessing one, let alone use it. In the USA, it's more opened, some stuff you can buy, some stuff you can't buy, not sure where this one is. I believe it's being discussed in another thread here. This has implications on the story. Knowing the kind of weapon and the local norms would give more context about the situation. Expect the police to react differently against a handgun and a military grade assault rifle (not the same type of individual on the other side either). Judging by the "hundreds of rounds", it might have been modified to automatic or it's an old model.
- tomschlick 10y ago
  > Judging by the "hundreds of rounds", it might have been modified to automatic or it's an old model. Most likely not, you can empty 30 round mags in 15 seconds or so.
  - user5994461 10y ago
    Correct me if I am wrong but this weapon doesn't come with 30 round mags and these mags are not easily accessible for sale.
    - grzm 10y ago
      Depends on where you are. In some states 30 round magazines are quite easy to come by. A quick internet search will provide many legal retailers.
    - Rebelgecko 10y ago
      In California, where this took place, we're allowed to have 30 round magazines for a few more months. Even if he only had 10 round magazines, reloading really doesn't take that long (even with a bullet button)

tomschlick 10y ago

"Assault Rifle" is a defined term as well which is basically the same as "machine gun". Both require the weapon to be "select fire" which means it can be set to fire more than one round per trigger pull. An AR-15 is neither an Assault Rifle nor a Machine Gun. In actuality, an AR-15 is the same as any other semi-automatic rifle in function. It just looks scarier so it's treated different than others. For example, many states list the AR-15 as an "assault weapon" (made up term with no concrete definition) but don't list the Mini-14. They both fire the same round, accept the same magazines, and have the same rate of fire but the Mini-14 typically has a wooden stock which makes it "less scary" to people. I hate that I have to be a stickler for defined terms, but on the topic of guns there is so much misinformation out there that us gun people try to correct it whenever we can.

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dragonwriter 10y ago
> "Assault Rifle" is a defined term as well which is basically the same as "machine gun". The usual definition is quite distinct from the usual definition of machine gun. > Both require the weapon to be "select fire" which means it can be set to fire more than one round per trigger pull. Actually, no; the term is "selective fire", and while that's part of the usual definition of an assault rifle (which typically have semiautomatic, burst, and sometimes full-auto modes), it's not for machine gun, and machine guns are quite often full-auto only. An assault rifle also is a weapons that is deisgned to be fired unsupported (though it may also integrate a bipod) and which has a fixed, folding, or telescoping butt stock. While a machine gun may have none of those things, and may be designed to be fired only mounted. > In actuality, an AR-15 is the same as any other semi-automatic rifle in function. AR-15 is problematic to categorize, since the original Armalite AR-15 is a selective-fire traditional assault rifle, and other rifles to which that moniker is applied (which is sometimes used as a catch-all for the whole family of variants of that original design, which the US military adopted as the M16 series, and the M4 series) may either also be selective-fire assault rifles or civilian variants of the same design with variations in a few key components that render them semi-auto only. At the same time, Colt currently markets a subset of it's line of civilian semi-automatic variations of that design as the AR-15 line (which was done after the Federal Assault Weapons ban specifically to take advantage of the AR-15 moniker's association with assault weapons.) > For example, many states list the AR-15 as an "assault weapon" (made up term with no concrete definition) Every state that has an "assault weapons" law also gives it concrete definitions. Typically, that's done by identifying both feature sets and a set of named existing weapons which are included (along with any copies or duplicates) regardless of whether they meet the feature sets.