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> the numbers get larger among children of dictators whose parents bequeathed them a massive security apparatus Except his predecessors all had exactly the sam

by JBSay 9y ago

> the numbers get larger among children of dictators whose parents bequeathed them a massive security apparatus Except his predecessors all had exactly the same behaviour. So either they were all crazy yet managed to build that massive security apparatus and perpetuate their regime. Or, more likely, you have never bothered to put yourself in their shoes to consider that this might be their optimal strategy (hint: Irak, Libya, Syria). You claimed earlier to have proofs that the NK leadership is crazy. Where are they?

notacoward 9y ago
> You claimed earlier to have proofs that the NK leadership is crazy. Where are they? http://www.allday.com/kim-jong-il-never-pooped-and-other-crazy-things-north-korea-tells-its--2180804246.html http://www.allday.com/kim-jong-il-never-pooped-and-other-cra... Do you deny that these sorts of claims are made, or that they're just a bit delusional? Also, BTW, did you really create an account only to argue on behalf of Kim Jong-Un? How interesting.
- JBSay 9y ago
  > Do you deny that these sorts of claims are made, or that they're just a bit delusional? You don't seem to understand what constitutes a proof. Deifying yourself is hardly an irrational strategy for a dictator. It's an easy way to ensure obedience. The roman emperors did just that and so did Staline to some extent. All that matters is whether your people will buy it. > Also, BTW, did you really create an account only to argue on behalf of Kim Jong-Un? How interesting. Sounds like you are running out of argument since that's hardly relevant. I felt compelled to educate a redneck's binary view of foreign policy probably shaped by years of watching Fox News and Hollywood action movies. Futile I know, given that most Americans can't even place NK on a map.
  - notacoward 9y ago
    > Deifying yourself is hardly an irrational strategy for a dictator. It could be done rationally, in the short-term, but relying on such silly and easily disproven falsehoods is pretty poor long-term strategy. When the truth comes out, as it inevitably will, the results are usually worse than if the falsehoods had never been promoted. That makes it irrational in the long term. Also, what's your evidence that KJU doesn't actually believe he's a fashion icon etc.? All empirical evidence suggests that he does, and that's only one aspect of his questionable mental health. Besides being delusional, acts such as having subordinates - or even relatives - killed and even erased from memory indicate a certain level or paranoia and sociopathy. If you think such acts are rational, you have a view of rationality that's based on too many assumptions of motive. At some point, an accumulation of such acts indicates an irrational decision process. Your Dear Leader is well beyond that point, in fully documented ways, and any truly rational+honest person can see that. > shaped by years of watching Fox News and Hollywood action movies Most obvious ad hominem yet, and false as well so it's also a strawman. You just did exactly what you accused me of, only more so. Keep going and I'm sure you'll escalate into flag-land. You know nothing about me. FYI, I'm a staunch progressive/internationalist who has lived (even grew up) abroad. To paint with such a broad brush, based on no evidence at all, is just jaw-droppingly rude and counterproductive. But, instead of getting further off track and (probably) escalating hostility still further, let's try to unwind a bit to the original point. Even if we could agree on whether Beloved Of Heaven Kim Jong-Un is rational or not, which seems unlikely so long as I start from facts and you start from loyalty, that's not the point. The original strawman was that Americans in general consider most North Koreans irrational, stupid, etc. Not the leaders; the populace. Do you believe that is true? If so, do you have any evidence for it? That's the original claim. It's up to the original claimant or his proxies - such as you - to prove it, not for anyone else to disprove. Anything other than evidence relevant to that point is just diversion.

by JBSay 9y ago

notacoward 9y ago

> You claimed earlier to have proofs that the NK leadership is crazy. Where are they? http://www.allday.com/kim-jong-il-never-pooped-and-other-crazy-things-north-korea-tells-its--2180804246.html http://www.allday.com/kim-jong-il-never-pooped-and-other-cra... Do you deny that these sorts of claims are made, or that they're just a bit delusional? Also, BTW, did you really create an account only to argue on behalf of Kim Jong-Un? How interesting.

JBSay 9y ago
> Do you deny that these sorts of claims are made, or that they're just a bit delusional? You don't seem to understand what constitutes a proof. Deifying yourself is hardly an irrational strategy for a dictator. It's an easy way to ensure obedience. The roman emperors did just that and so did Staline to some extent. All that matters is whether your people will buy it. > Also, BTW, did you really create an account only to argue on behalf of Kim Jong-Un? How interesting. Sounds like you are running out of argument since that's hardly relevant. I felt compelled to educate a redneck's binary view of foreign policy probably shaped by years of watching Fox News and Hollywood action movies. Futile I know, given that most Americans can't even place NK on a map.
- notacoward 9y ago
  > Deifying yourself is hardly an irrational strategy for a dictator. It could be done rationally, in the short-term, but relying on such silly and easily disproven falsehoods is pretty poor long-term strategy. When the truth comes out, as it inevitably will, the results are usually worse than if the falsehoods had never been promoted. That makes it irrational in the long term. Also, what's your evidence that KJU doesn't actually believe he's a fashion icon etc.? All empirical evidence suggests that he does, and that's only one aspect of his questionable mental health. Besides being delusional, acts such as having subordinates - or even relatives - killed and even erased from memory indicate a certain level or paranoia and sociopathy. If you think such acts are rational, you have a view of rationality that's based on too many assumptions of motive. At some point, an accumulation of such acts indicates an irrational decision process. Your Dear Leader is well beyond that point, in fully documented ways, and any truly rational+honest person can see that. > shaped by years of watching Fox News and Hollywood action movies Most obvious ad hominem yet, and false as well so it's also a strawman. You just did exactly what you accused me of, only more so. Keep going and I'm sure you'll escalate into flag-land. You know nothing about me. FYI, I'm a staunch progressive/internationalist who has lived (even grew up) abroad. To paint with such a broad brush, based on no evidence at all, is just jaw-droppingly rude and counterproductive. But, instead of getting further off track and (probably) escalating hostility still further, let's try to unwind a bit to the original point. Even if we could agree on whether Beloved Of Heaven Kim Jong-Un is rational or not, which seems unlikely so long as I start from facts and you start from loyalty, that's not the point. The original strawman was that Americans in general consider most North Koreans irrational, stupid, etc. Not the leaders; the populace. Do you believe that is true? If so, do you have any evidence for it? That's the original claim. It's up to the original claimant or his proxies - such as you - to prove it, not for anyone else to disprove. Anything other than evidence relevant to that point is just diversion.