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I didn't say this shouldn't be of interest. I was defending the author of the original comment, which in light of the fact that both accounts belong to you mean

I didn't say this shouldn't be of interest. I was defending the author of the original comment, which in light of the fact that both accounts belong to you means my intention was ensuring your attribution. I felt no discomfort here, though granted I haven't read the whole comment. "Same-sex network connections" gave me a chuckle - I assume a reference to the "male" and "female" hardware connectors. I was actually weighing on commending you for the joke before I found out the same words were used elsewhere by another account. I am surprised by the tone of your reply. I kind of hope most of my downvotes are from you then, as I would hate to see a rise in reposts. I also hope you have an automated way of finding non-positive comments, because knowing you went through them by hand would be somewhat discomforting. Now, my morality certainly should influence how I view things - that's what it's for. If it is the case that here lies your problem with me, you should be aware that when I say gay I don't have in mind the mere attraction to the same sex, but indulgence, the practice of sexual acts of this nature (which is closer to the original sexualized definition of the term). The distinction may appear subtle, but isn't really. The grave difference is between temptation and sin. In recognizing the difference, one may become accepting of the human without in process compromising that human's soul.

DonHopkins 9y ago
You are incorrect that gay sex is a sin or compromises your soul, and this is not the right place for you to try to spread those outdated prejudices of yours. Your homophobia is just as unacceptable as racism or misogyny, so keep a lid on it.
- paxcoder 9y ago
  I don't use this forum with the intent to spread such persistent truths as that gay acts are gravely sinful or that human life possesses inherent dignity (something that popped up a few times as well). However, I do and will proclaim and defend truth provided I see a need. I hope to do this to the benefit of any readers, not simply to counter. To this end, and because of the importance, I hope never to let myself be pressured into desisting regardless of how unpopular it may become to resist.
  - urbanj 9y ago
    > such persistent truths as that gay acts are gravely sinful That's not a truth, and it's only persistent in the mind of bigots. Shame on you and your warped view of divinity.
  - DonHopkins 9y ago
    >I don't [do what I am doing in the same sentence]. However, I do [it again]. I hope to do this [for your own good]. To this end, [I won't stop, even after being politely asked to by a moderator (dang), because I am the victim]. You are already on record as using this forum to "provoke souls", and you have already been politely asked to provoke souls somewhere else. Unless you can offer some objective proof that gay sex is a sin, what you're doing is no different than the actions of a schoolyard bully taunting and calling people names. The suicide rate among gays is way too high without your help [1]. Take it elsewhere, or better yet, never do it again, anywhere. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_among_LGBT_youth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_among_LGBT_youth "The Suicide Prevention Resource Center synthesized these studies and estimated that between 5 and 10% of LGBT youth, depending on age and sex groups, have attempted suicide, a rate 1.5-3 times higher than heterosexual youth." "Bullying of LGBT youth has been shown to be a contributing factor in many suicides, even if not all of the attacks have been specifically addressing sexuality or gender." Savin-Williams, Ritch C (1994). "Verbal and physical abuse as stressors in the lives of lesbian, gay male, and bisexual youths: Associations with school problems, running away, substance abuse, prostitution, and suicide". Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology. 62 (2): 261–269. doi:10.1037/0022-006X.62.2.261. [2] http://blog.ycombinator.com/meet-the-people-taking-over-hacker-news/ http://blog.ycombinator.com/meet-the-people-taking-over-hack...
    - paxcoder 9y ago
      I must say you're conflating my conversations, and misinterpreting my words. I don't think it needs explaining, but if you disagree, I am willing to say (and repeat) exactly where and how. Instead, here I will just point out that you're now equating talking about sin to bullying. This is harmful because it puts reconciliation with God out of sight and out of mind, but also because it tells bullies they are "no different" than those fighting sin: With blowing things out of proportion like this, you are doing an additional disservice to those sinners you're purporting to support. Note that I was generalizing because your argument allows it - at least to, say, pre-marital sex. And while there is a difference in subject sensitivity, I am not being a bully by simply countering the world when it claims either of these things are acceptable. One's cross is much greater another's, but so is the reward. No surrender, try again.
- davepm 9y ago
  but its fine for you to spread your prejudicial views of his religious beliefs? pot, kettle? And just because someone doesn't agree with your view doesn't instantly make then [x]Phobic, its quite possible to be against something without hating on it, im sure most people who hold views similar are not scared of or hold intense hatred to those in same sex relationships, just like i don't like mushrooms, doesn't mean Im a funghiphobic.
  - urbanj 9y ago
    Must suck that about the same time paxcoder posted this: > such persistent truths as that gay acts are gravely sinful What do you know, he turned out to be a homophobe after all. (Cue cries of hate the sin not the man there not homophobia). Pitiful
  - DonHopkins 9y ago
    This is not a forum for accusing people of being sinners. Don't you have something braver to do than standing up for bigotry, even after the bigot has been politely and repeatedly asked by a moderator to stop his religious harangue, but was argumentative in response [1], found it "somewhat discomforting" to have his own words quoted back to him, and has declared he won't stop [2], regardless of how discomforted his own words make other people feel? [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13246410 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13246410 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14187168 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14187168
    - davepm 9y ago
      yet you argue against bigotry with our own bigotry? bigotry: intolerance towards those who hold different opinions from oneself. seems you may be a sufferer too.....
      - DonHopkins 9y ago
        You are wrong to tolerate intolerance, and wrong to accuse me of bigotry for standing up against bigotry. It doesn't work that way. And the fact that you're standing up against my stand against bigotry, without bothering to stand up against the original bigotry itself, means you're tacitly supporting that bigotry yourself, which is unethical. And you're also violating the rules of this forum by continuing to post off-topic unsubstantive comments and baseless personal attacks. So stop it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance Philosopher Karl Popper defined the paradox in 1945 in The Open Society and Its Enemies Vol. 1. "Less well known is the paradox of tolerance: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them." He concluded that we are warranted in refusing to tolerate intolerance: "We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant."

DonHopkins 9y ago

You are incorrect that gay sex is a sin or compromises your soul, and this is not the right place for you to try to spread those outdated prejudices of yours. Your homophobia is just as unacceptable as racism or misogyny, so keep a lid on it.

paxcoder 9y ago
I don't use this forum with the intent to spread such persistent truths as that gay acts are gravely sinful or that human life possesses inherent dignity (something that popped up a few times as well). However, I do and will proclaim and defend truth provided I see a need. I hope to do this to the benefit of any readers, not simply to counter. To this end, and because of the importance, I hope never to let myself be pressured into desisting regardless of how unpopular it may become to resist.
- urbanj 9y ago
  > such persistent truths as that gay acts are gravely sinful That's not a truth, and it's only persistent in the mind of bigots. Shame on you and your warped view of divinity.
- DonHopkins 9y ago
  >I don't [do what I am doing in the same sentence]. However, I do [it again]. I hope to do this [for your own good]. To this end, [I won't stop, even after being politely asked to by a moderator (dang), because I am the victim]. You are already on record as using this forum to "provoke souls", and you have already been politely asked to provoke souls somewhere else. Unless you can offer some objective proof that gay sex is a sin, what you're doing is no different than the actions of a schoolyard bully taunting and calling people names. The suicide rate among gays is way too high without your help [1]. Take it elsewhere, or better yet, never do it again, anywhere. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_among_LGBT_youth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_among_LGBT_youth "The Suicide Prevention Resource Center synthesized these studies and estimated that between 5 and 10% of LGBT youth, depending on age and sex groups, have attempted suicide, a rate 1.5-3 times higher than heterosexual youth." "Bullying of LGBT youth has been shown to be a contributing factor in many suicides, even if not all of the attacks have been specifically addressing sexuality or gender." Savin-Williams, Ritch C (1994). "Verbal and physical abuse as stressors in the lives of lesbian, gay male, and bisexual youths: Associations with school problems, running away, substance abuse, prostitution, and suicide". Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology. 62 (2): 261–269. doi:10.1037/0022-006X.62.2.261. [2] http://blog.ycombinator.com/meet-the-people-taking-over-hacker-news/ http://blog.ycombinator.com/meet-the-people-taking-over-hack...
  - paxcoder 9y ago
    I must say you're conflating my conversations, and misinterpreting my words. I don't think it needs explaining, but if you disagree, I am willing to say (and repeat) exactly where and how. Instead, here I will just point out that you're now equating talking about sin to bullying. This is harmful because it puts reconciliation with God out of sight and out of mind, but also because it tells bullies they are "no different" than those fighting sin: With blowing things out of proportion like this, you are doing an additional disservice to those sinners you're purporting to support. Note that I was generalizing because your argument allows it - at least to, say, pre-marital sex. And while there is a difference in subject sensitivity, I am not being a bully by simply countering the world when it claims either of these things are acceptable. One's cross is much greater another's, but so is the reward. No surrender, try again.
davepm 9y ago
but its fine for you to spread your prejudicial views of his religious beliefs? pot, kettle? And just because someone doesn't agree with your view doesn't instantly make then [x]Phobic, its quite possible to be against something without hating on it, im sure most people who hold views similar are not scared of or hold intense hatred to those in same sex relationships, just like i don't like mushrooms, doesn't mean Im a funghiphobic.
- urbanj 9y ago
  Must suck that about the same time paxcoder posted this: > such persistent truths as that gay acts are gravely sinful What do you know, he turned out to be a homophobe after all. (Cue cries of hate the sin not the man there not homophobia). Pitiful
- DonHopkins 9y ago
  This is not a forum for accusing people of being sinners. Don't you have something braver to do than standing up for bigotry, even after the bigot has been politely and repeatedly asked by a moderator to stop his religious harangue, but was argumentative in response [1], found it "somewhat discomforting" to have his own words quoted back to him, and has declared he won't stop [2], regardless of how discomforted his own words make other people feel? [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13246410 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13246410 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14187168 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14187168
  - davepm 9y ago
    yet you argue against bigotry with our own bigotry? bigotry: intolerance towards those who hold different opinions from oneself. seems you may be a sufferer too.....
    - DonHopkins 9y ago
      You are wrong to tolerate intolerance, and wrong to accuse me of bigotry for standing up against bigotry. It doesn't work that way. And the fact that you're standing up against my stand against bigotry, without bothering to stand up against the original bigotry itself, means you're tacitly supporting that bigotry yourself, which is unethical. And you're also violating the rules of this forum by continuing to post off-topic unsubstantive comments and baseless personal attacks. So stop it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance Philosopher Karl Popper defined the paradox in 1945 in The Open Society and Its Enemies Vol. 1. "Less well known is the paradox of tolerance: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them." He concluded that we are warranted in refusing to tolerate intolerance: "We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant."