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Kinda unrelated. As of now, it is impossible to run a pure B2C SaaS which depends on users paying for it. Is this going to finally change the market so that B

by tlogan 10y ago

Kinda unrelated. As of now, it is impossible to run a pure B2C SaaS which depends on users paying for it. Is this going to finally change the market so that B2C SaaS companies can charge for their service? I doubt. The question here is: is our privacy dead? Maybe only we need a law to enforce it? If make a law enforcing the privacy, then many of these free service will stop being free - causing even bigger digital divide. What is the solution here?

Balgair 10y ago
I think that yes, privacy is dead, to those that do not value it. Would you trade your gmail history for a doughnut? If yes, then it is 'dead' and not worth much, if no, you still have it, mostly. The thing to look at it the economics of your privacy. Why has it died? I think it is because your privacy has some intrinsic value to it. Averaged over enough people and a long enough time, it has some average dollar value, like a lotto ticket. However, it then becomes a commodity like all others, and subject to markets and their rules. If everyone is collecting your privacy and data and then trying to sell it, who is the buyer and what is the price? Who is buying the data from Bose and their scummy headphones and how much are they paying per 1k people? To me, it seems that the market for 'data' is not at all transparent and that is why there is a grab for the data. If these kinds of companies can convince a potential buyer that their scummy headphones data is worth the price, then maybe the buyer can take it and make more cash off of it. But I think that since the markets are so inundated with people's 'data' that the price is not worth much at all. I mean, when I look at 'targeted' ads or whatever, then all I see is nonsense. I think that currently, the data is worth far too much due to the lack of transparency in the market. Once everyone realizes that humans are too random to target marketing towards, then the prices will drop and the bottom will fall out of the market. The real money, as Apple and the Goog have seen, is in walled gardens that force you to buy their products above all others. Currently, we are in the 3rd round of this match, there is a lot more fighting left.

by tlogan 10y ago

Balgair 10y ago

I think that yes, privacy is dead, to those that do not value it. Would you trade your gmail history for a doughnut? If yes, then it is 'dead' and not worth much, if no, you still have it, mostly. The thing to look at it the economics of your privacy. Why has it died? I think it is because your privacy has some intrinsic value to it. Averaged over enough people and a long enough time, it has some average dollar value, like a lotto ticket. However, it then becomes a commodity like all others, and subject to markets and their rules. If everyone is collecting your privacy and data and then trying to sell it, who is the buyer and what is the price? Who is buying the data from Bose and their scummy headphones and how much are they paying per 1k people? To me, it seems that the market for 'data' is not at all transparent and that is why there is a grab for the data. If these kinds of companies can convince a potential buyer that their scummy headphones data is worth the price, then maybe the buyer can take it and make more cash off of it. But I think that since the markets are so inundated with people's 'data' that the price is not worth much at all. I mean, when I look at 'targeted' ads or whatever, then all I see is nonsense. I think that currently, the data is worth far too much due to the lack of transparency in the market. Once everyone realizes that humans are too random to target marketing towards, then the prices will drop and the bottom will fall out of the market. The real money, as Apple and the Goog have seen, is in walled gardens that force you to buy their products above all others. Currently, we are in the 3rd round of this match, there is a lot more fighting left.