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>being an actual hacker. And GITS is not? I relate more with the Laughing Man than whatever the hell happens in SEL. You know the girl is dead and her spirit l

>being an actual hacker. And GITS is not? I relate more with the Laughing Man than whatever the hell happens in SEL. You know the girl is dead and her spirit lives in a computer, right? SEL has more to do with spirituality than technology while GITS is almost exclusively tech and politics focused. I had a chance to see the new movie a week ago and was pretty blown away by the levels of future-shock I experienced. I think they did a wonderful job building off the anime and manga to re-build the GITS world in live action. The first half of that movie had me enthralled at how good of a job was done here. I really think from set-design, costume, and setting perspectives this movie on par with visual feasts from the 70s/80s like Bladerunner, Dune, Star Wars, or Alien. Story-wise its a poorly paced and milquetoast origin story that we've seen a million times. If this production had a more daring script I think we'd see the wisdom of trying to bring it to the big screen as live action. "Mindfuck" anime like SEL really isn't going to translate well, and trippy mindfuck stories have been beaten to death by now and are just another tiresome trope. Worse, it would have even less of an anticipated audience thus budget which would force the production into cheesy B-movie territory. Its also a non-existent franchise while GITS is an established fan favorite and for fairly valid reasons including a focus on the realpolitik of power, terrorism, technology, cybercrime, etc which a lot of other tech-oriented stories simply get wrong and lean far too often on a simplistic 'right vs wrong' moralism.

hd4 10y ago
>And GITS is not? >seems to have more to do with being an actual hacker >seems to have more to do
equalunique 10y ago
>GITS is almost exclusively tech and politics focused Tbh I really liked the spiritual themes from GitS. It's in the original movie, also in 2004 Innocence, and at the finale of 2008 Solid State Society (not going to make sense without seeing the whole anime series start to finish)
- drzaiusapelord 10y ago
  I think GiTS does a good job with its philosophical aspects, but GiTS doesn't only exist to sell a large philosophical thesis like SEL does. The philosophy is part of the over-all picture, and even then its a minority part. SEL is just a metaphor using computers for spirituality while GiTS very much is a traditional cyberpunk work. When Section 9 is called in to stop terrorists, its often not an excuse to pontificate on 'what is real,' often its about other themes like the weight of history and the causes of terror, the victims of a world where technology and politics changes so quickly, how hacking in a tech dominated world can be so disruptive, and how security forces and governments respond to these threats. Also to be fair, when we look at the original movie, its more about AI rights than an avante-garde pondering of "dead waifus living in the ether" SEL is based on. I would classify these two things are completely different categories. One is a fairly rational take on the age old "Are AI alive" argument while the other is more or less fantasy dressed up as sci-fi.
et-al 10y ago
> I really think from set-design, costume, and setting perspectives this movie on par with visual feasts from the 70s/80s like Bladerunner, Dune, Star Wars, or Alien. For those who haven't seen the live-action movie, Kotaku just put up an article showcasing some of the concept art: http://kotaku.com/the-incredible-art-of-the-ghost-in-the-shell-movie-1794015446 http://kotaku.com/the-incredible-art-of-the-ghost-in-the-she... (Except for die-hard fans of GitS, I would not recommend the new movie.)

hd4 10y ago

>And GITS is not? >seems to have more to do with being an actual hacker >seems to have more to do

equalunique 10y ago

>GITS is almost exclusively tech and politics focused Tbh I really liked the spiritual themes from GitS. It's in the original movie, also in 2004 Innocence, and at the finale of 2008 Solid State Society (not going to make sense without seeing the whole anime series start to finish)

drzaiusapelord 10y ago
I think GiTS does a good job with its philosophical aspects, but GiTS doesn't only exist to sell a large philosophical thesis like SEL does. The philosophy is part of the over-all picture, and even then its a minority part. SEL is just a metaphor using computers for spirituality while GiTS very much is a traditional cyberpunk work. When Section 9 is called in to stop terrorists, its often not an excuse to pontificate on 'what is real,' often its about other themes like the weight of history and the causes of terror, the victims of a world where technology and politics changes so quickly, how hacking in a tech dominated world can be so disruptive, and how security forces and governments respond to these threats. Also to be fair, when we look at the original movie, its more about AI rights than an avante-garde pondering of "dead waifus living in the ether" SEL is based on. I would classify these two things are completely different categories. One is a fairly rational take on the age old "Are AI alive" argument while the other is more or less fantasy dressed up as sci-fi.

et-al 10y ago

> I really think from set-design, costume, and setting perspectives this movie on par with visual feasts from the 70s/80s like Bladerunner, Dune, Star Wars, or Alien. For those who haven't seen the live-action movie, Kotaku just put up an article showcasing some of the concept art: http://kotaku.com/the-incredible-art-of-the-ghost-in-the-shell-movie-1794015446 http://kotaku.com/the-incredible-art-of-the-ghost-in-the-she... (Except for die-hard fans of GitS, I would not recommend the new movie.)