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These companies should be driven out of business, by whatever means necessary. They are terrible.

by douche 9y ago

raz32dust 9y ago
> they're also run and managed by real assholes. complete entitlement complex - definitely a sign of corruption / abuse. Examples? Not saying you are wrong, just want to understand. > They are terrible. Reasons? Again, just trying to understand perspectives.
- iamacynic 9y ago
  they treat their employees and sales/solutions partners (even americans) like fucking garbage. like, the problems only barely begin at not paying their bills and speaking rudely to people on the phone. it's 100% indicative of some kind of a guaranteed revenue stream. nobody else acts that way, not even i.e. oracle or microsoft. in fact big "real" technology companies are usually a pleasure to deal with once you understand how they work. and it's not just the big players -- there are dozens if not hundreds of little cottage industries bodyshops that use their previous bigfirm alumni connections to do the exact same thing. fuck all of them. ever hear of an "approved vendors list"? those are all now hijacked by bodyshop crony dipshits. and that's just the tip of the scam iceberg. i haven't dealt with any of these assholes in over 5 years and it still makes me angry. excuse my french but this is a HUGE problem in our industry and needs straight talk. h1b's aren't the only people they abuse. that's just the engine that drives the entire shit show forward.
  - chvid 9y ago
    Exactly what is the scam here? I understand to you think they (TCS etc.) are rude and not well-qualified but there are American customers who are paying for their consulting services by the hour; I assume they are fundamentally satisfied otherwise they would go elsewhere? That they are putting in a lot applications - that seems to be within the letter of the law; maybe not the intention but I am not sure as this have been going for a while.
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    - douche 9y ago
      The people that pay the bills are frequently several layers removed from actually working with these outfits.
      - GordonS 9y ago
        This. In a lot of companies, top management are the ones that make the decision to outsource - and for a lot of them, cost is by far the largest factor they care about. The people below them get to firefight and deal with the fallout.
    - defined 9y ago
      This is how it works. They're fundamentally satisfied because their staffing budgets look awesomely low, there is a latency between the time the hiring is done and the dung hits the turbine, then they somehow manage to pass the blame for the shitty systems on to external factors, and they move on to a higher paid position or take their golden parachute before the horrible reality sinks in to those left behind that they have been royally shafted. The shaftees are too embarrassed to admit they were hoodwinked (and stupid), so they make excuses too, and the cycle repeats. The whole time this is happening, the competent engineers have been screaming and rending their garments, to no avail, until they are laid off for not being team players or for earning too much.
  - cylinder 9y ago
    It's not just IT, it's just like this in law with document review sweatshops and we are American citizens!
sidcool 9y ago
The three combined employ close to 7,00,000 people. Many of them Americans. They should be disciplined not destroyed.
- doingmyting 9y ago
  They should be destroyed! Used to work for one of them. They took 70% of my billing rate and out of what was left I had to pay for my health insurance that I got through them. Granted that was back in the day so maybe they've gotten better, but I doubt it.
- lossolo 9y ago
  It should be 700,000 and I don't know if most of them are Americans, from what I see those companies have acquired a lot of other businesses around the world and hire people there also. So for sure they employ around 700k people around the world but saying that most of them are americans would probably need some source to back it up. EDIT: TCS had "The number of non-Indian nationals was 21,282" in 2013. EDIT2: Cognizant "The company has more than 255,800 employees globally, of which over 150,000 are in India" EDIT3: Infosys "Its workforce consists of employees representing 122 nationalities working from 32 countries (37 countries as per the base location)." So Americans are minority in those companies.
  - clay_to_n 9y ago
    As an aside, "7,00,000" is common to see in India. 1,00,000 (100,000) is 1 lakh. So 700,000 is said as "seven lakh" and written as 7,00,000. If you go even higher, 10,000,000 is written as "10,00,00,000" and called "1 crore".
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    - umanwizard 9y ago
      The last number you wrote (10,00,00,000) is ten crore, not one.

These companies should be driven out of business, by whatever means necessary. They are terrible.

by douche 9y ago

These companies should be driven out of business, by whatever means necessary. They are terrible.

> they're also run and managed by real assholes. complete entitlement complex - definitely a sign of corruption / abuse. Examples? Not saying you are wrong, just want to understand. > They are terrible. Reasons? Again, just trying to understand perspectives.

iamacynic 9y ago
they treat their employees and sales/solutions partners (even americans) like fucking garbage. like, the problems only barely begin at not paying their bills and speaking rudely to people on the phone. it's 100% indicative of some kind of a guaranteed revenue stream. nobody else acts that way, not even i.e. oracle or microsoft. in fact big "real" technology companies are usually a pleasure to deal with once you understand how they work. and it's not just the big players -- there are dozens if not hundreds of little cottage industries bodyshops that use their previous bigfirm alumni connections to do the exact same thing. fuck all of them. ever hear of an "approved vendors list"? those are all now hijacked by bodyshop crony dipshits. and that's just the tip of the scam iceberg. i haven't dealt with any of these assholes in over 5 years and it still makes me angry. excuse my french but this is a HUGE problem in our industry and needs straight talk. h1b's aren't the only people they abuse. that's just the engine that drives the entire shit show forward.
- chvid 9y ago
  Exactly what is the scam here? I understand to you think they (TCS etc.) are rude and not well-qualified but there are American customers who are paying for their consulting services by the hour; I assume they are fundamentally satisfied otherwise they would go elsewhere? That they are putting in a lot applications - that seems to be within the letter of the law; maybe not the intention but I am not sure as this have been going for a while.
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  - douche 9y ago
    The people that pay the bills are frequently several layers removed from actually working with these outfits.
    - GordonS 9y ago
      This. In a lot of companies, top management are the ones that make the decision to outsource - and for a lot of them, cost is by far the largest factor they care about. The people below them get to firefight and deal with the fallout.
  - defined 9y ago
    This is how it works. They're fundamentally satisfied because their staffing budgets look awesomely low, there is a latency between the time the hiring is done and the dung hits the turbine, then they somehow manage to pass the blame for the shitty systems on to external factors, and they move on to a higher paid position or take their golden parachute before the horrible reality sinks in to those left behind that they have been royally shafted. The shaftees are too embarrassed to admit they were hoodwinked (and stupid), so they make excuses too, and the cycle repeats. The whole time this is happening, the competent engineers have been screaming and rending their garments, to no avail, until they are laid off for not being team players or for earning too much.
- cylinder 9y ago
  It's not just IT, it's just like this in law with document review sweatshops and we are American citizens!

sidcool 9y ago

The three combined employ close to 7,00,000 people. Many of them Americans. They should be disciplined not destroyed.

doingmyting 9y ago
They should be destroyed! Used to work for one of them. They took 70% of my billing rate and out of what was left I had to pay for my health insurance that I got through them. Granted that was back in the day so maybe they've gotten better, but I doubt it.
lossolo 9y ago
It should be 700,000 and I don't know if most of them are Americans, from what I see those companies have acquired a lot of other businesses around the world and hire people there also. So for sure they employ around 700k people around the world but saying that most of them are americans would probably need some source to back it up. EDIT: TCS had "The number of non-Indian nationals was 21,282" in 2013. EDIT2: Cognizant "The company has more than 255,800 employees globally, of which over 150,000 are in India" EDIT3: Infosys "Its workforce consists of employees representing 122 nationalities working from 32 countries (37 countries as per the base location)." So Americans are minority in those companies.
- clay_to_n 9y ago
  As an aside, "7,00,000" is common to see in India. 1,00,000 (100,000) is 1 lakh. So 700,000 is said as "seven lakh" and written as 7,00,000. If you go even higher, 10,000,000 is written as "10,00,00,000" and called "1 crore".
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  - umanwizard 9y ago
    The last number you wrote (10,00,00,000) is ten crore, not one.