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I think that whoever believes in things like: "brexit will give 350M£ more per week to NHS" and "brexit will make uk great again (while Scotland and north Irela

I think that whoever believes in things like: "brexit will give 350M£ more per week to NHS" and "brexit will make uk great again (while Scotland and north Ireland probably will leave)" doesn't fit completely my definition of intelligent... If you add that a lot of people that voted for leave are living in depressed areas that are getting BILLIONS from EU, even if I don't agree with the exact choice of words I don't think that is too far from reality. I would have had the same harsh judgement for anyone that would cut his penis to spite her wife, but in that case I believe that a lot more people would have agreed with me.

mike-cardwell 10y ago
So you've described a person who believed that the NHS would get £350M extra a week, and also wanted to "make UK great again", and you've called them stupid. I will now describe a person who was scared to leave the EU because of how it might affect their spending power, and didn't care less about the implications to democracy of staying in the EU, and will call them stupid, selfish and short sighted. So where does that leave us? Have we gained something from this?
- tigershark 10y ago
  I lost about 7-8k£ until now thanks to the brexit and the pound value that collapsed (just counting pure expenses, not considering any asset that I own). So you had all the rights to call me stupid, idiot and whatever you wanted if I had voted for leave. But it's not the case because I don't believe at whatever false propaganda is on air at a certain moment. I believe only to facts and I look at my interests. And the slumping pound is an incontrovertible fact that even guys like you that try to negate reality cannot possibly contest. At the end for me doesn't really change much, I still have a good job and in the worst case I have EU citizenship if everything collapses. I'm not sure that the fishermen, the factory workers and all the others that gets billions from EU subsidies and that voted to leave are still fine in case everything collapses.
  - mike-cardwell 10y ago
    I didn't call you stupid. I created a straw man, and called him stupid. Just like you created a straw man, and called that one stupid. 1. There are people who voted based on how they thought it would affect themselves personally. 2. There are people who voted based on the long term interests of what they thought was best for the people of the UK and Europe. I made a conscious effort to be in camp 2. It sounds like you're squarely placing yourself in camp 1. The value of the pound has recently dropped and you find that to be relevant. I don't and I'm poorer for it too. I can see that you based your vote on the short term personal economic impact, rather the long term effect it would have on human beings living in European countries. That's ok. You can call people stupid. As long as you're comfortable being called selfish. I still don't see the value in any of this.
louithethrid 10y ago
Those people dont want your billions. They want dignity, they want to work and feel like they accomplished something. They want the exact same life you got. They dont want handouts, they want to reverse what has happened, they want to undo what has been accomplished. And that is the dileman, that leads to a nice little dystopia- where the democracy is abandoned from above, because those below who got trampled, could undo the foam castles floating ontop. Lets vote on it, till exaustion, shall we?

mike-cardwell 10y ago

So you've described a person who believed that the NHS would get £350M extra a week, and also wanted to "make UK great again", and you've called them stupid. I will now describe a person who was scared to leave the EU because of how it might affect their spending power, and didn't care less about the implications to democracy of staying in the EU, and will call them stupid, selfish and short sighted. So where does that leave us? Have we gained something from this?

tigershark 10y ago
I lost about 7-8k£ until now thanks to the brexit and the pound value that collapsed (just counting pure expenses, not considering any asset that I own). So you had all the rights to call me stupid, idiot and whatever you wanted if I had voted for leave. But it's not the case because I don't believe at whatever false propaganda is on air at a certain moment. I believe only to facts and I look at my interests. And the slumping pound is an incontrovertible fact that even guys like you that try to negate reality cannot possibly contest. At the end for me doesn't really change much, I still have a good job and in the worst case I have EU citizenship if everything collapses. I'm not sure that the fishermen, the factory workers and all the others that gets billions from EU subsidies and that voted to leave are still fine in case everything collapses.
- mike-cardwell 10y ago
  I didn't call you stupid. I created a straw man, and called him stupid. Just like you created a straw man, and called that one stupid. 1. There are people who voted based on how they thought it would affect themselves personally. 2. There are people who voted based on the long term interests of what they thought was best for the people of the UK and Europe. I made a conscious effort to be in camp 2. It sounds like you're squarely placing yourself in camp 1. The value of the pound has recently dropped and you find that to be relevant. I don't and I'm poorer for it too. I can see that you based your vote on the short term personal economic impact, rather the long term effect it would have on human beings living in European countries. That's ok. You can call people stupid. As long as you're comfortable being called selfish. I still don't see the value in any of this.

louithethrid 10y ago

Those people dont want your billions. They want dignity, they want to work and feel like they accomplished something. They want the exact same life you got. They dont want handouts, they want to reverse what has happened, they want to undo what has been accomplished. And that is the dileman, that leads to a nice little dystopia- where the democracy is abandoned from above, because those below who got trampled, could undo the foam castles floating ontop. Lets vote on it, till exaustion, shall we?