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Who can "be expected to understand the effects of Brexit on all of society" ? I'm pretty sure the majority of economics and finance experts only looked at this

Who can "be expected to understand the effects of Brexit on all of society" ? I'm pretty sure the majority of economics and finance experts only looked at this through the lens of how it would affect the economy. And even then only at a macro level. I'm pretty sure the majority of politicians were mostly concerned with how it would affect the macro economy too, and also how it would affect the UKs ability to project power and influence. The media? Selling to their demographic of choice. I was told to frame the question in terms of "How will it effect how rich and powerful the UK is? And are you a racist?". Instead, I framed it in terms of "How do I want my descendants to be governed". I don't believe my political representatives would have framed the question that way, so I feel more qualified than them to make that decision. Even though it was based on opinion.

literallycancer 10y ago
How do you want your descendants to be governed then?
- mike-cardwell 10y ago
  By a government of people who grew up in the same culture, speaking the same language. I believe they will get better representation that way. I want a Europe full of states which collaborate and trade and compete with each other, but where ultimate political and legal power is at the state level. I don't think that the economies of scale gained by handing over political control to a central European government are worth the loss of sovereignty and representation in the long term. I want further devolution of powers. Not further centralisation. I think this is a necessity if you want a government that works for the people instead of against them.
  - literallycancer 10y ago
    I'd much prefer a Europe where the countries work together to compete against the US and China, rather than compete among themselves and get pushed around by the more powerful players. I guess we'll just have to wait and see, but I expect the post-Brexit UK to get less and less relevant, especially after Scotland leaves.
    - mike-cardwell 10y ago
      It's a balancing act. You don't want your country to be a pushover because it can affect the l ives of your citizens negatively, but at the same time, you don't want to ditch any semblance of national self determination in exchange for an increase in external power/influence. I feel that citizens of rich countries put too much emphasis on the importance of their country projecting power externally. It's cool that you want European countries to be able to stand up to the US and China, but recognise the cost.

literallycancer 10y ago

How do you want your descendants to be governed then?

mike-cardwell 10y ago
By a government of people who grew up in the same culture, speaking the same language. I believe they will get better representation that way. I want a Europe full of states which collaborate and trade and compete with each other, but where ultimate political and legal power is at the state level. I don't think that the economies of scale gained by handing over political control to a central European government are worth the loss of sovereignty and representation in the long term. I want further devolution of powers. Not further centralisation. I think this is a necessity if you want a government that works for the people instead of against them.
- literallycancer 10y ago
  I'd much prefer a Europe where the countries work together to compete against the US and China, rather than compete among themselves and get pushed around by the more powerful players. I guess we'll just have to wait and see, but I expect the post-Brexit UK to get less and less relevant, especially after Scotland leaves.
  - mike-cardwell 10y ago
    It's a balancing act. You don't want your country to be a pushover because it can affect the l ives of your citizens negatively, but at the same time, you don't want to ditch any semblance of national self determination in exchange for an increase in external power/influence. I feel that citizens of rich countries put too much emphasis on the importance of their country projecting power externally. It's cool that you want European countries to be able to stand up to the US and China, but recognise the cost.