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Still waiting for youtube red here... And no date in sight. I don't even care about their "specials" - just opportunity to support favorite video creators (apar

Still waiting for youtube red here... And no date in sight. I don't even care about their "specials" - just opportunity to support favorite video creators (apart from patreon) without adv would be enough.

mnx 9y ago
It baffles me that they didn't launch that internationally - it's not like they need to buy some special licences, they already show all the same content everywhere. And all the specials are being produced after the launch, so they can demand whatever licenses they choose. And there's very clearly demand. They have google music available in a lot of countries, and that seems a lot harder to pull off.
- muro 9y ago
  Wasn't there some brouhaha about music when YouTube red was launching? Something about "independents" (think Adele, not highschool bands) complaining. Add to that e.g. music on YouTube in Germany. I would guess they would launch at the same time were it not for licensing.
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spiderfarmer 9y ago
I completely forgot about Red's existence. One of the problems with not launching internationally on day one.
- iwintermute 9y ago
  I guess the difficulty is not technical but, again copyright related. There's no sane "available by default" policy applied worldwide. Or their predicted profits are negligible for small non-english speaking countries so why bother. (there's hope that it'll appear as google music in some distant future)
  - mcintyre1994 9y ago
    FWIW it's still not in the UK either.
iwintermute 9y ago
What's even more strange to me is their geographical limitations for existing customers: "[...] If you leave these countries, you won’t be able to save videos offline, videos won’t play in the background, and you will see ads. " [0] [0] https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6307365?hl=en https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6307365?hl=en That's just BS.
- mikhailt 9y ago
  Why is it strange? It has been common practice for decades now, you couldn't even buy games in Japan and play it on US console 10-20 years ago. That's because you do not own the content, you are licensing the content and the content have geographical restrictions set in place by the content providers. Until everyone sign an agreement to get rid of geographical restrictons, nothing we can do.
  - iwintermute 9y ago
    It's strange because in my mind I'm paying for youtube service of getting me videos (either with money or by wasting time on ads) And with this I would continue to pay for service AND also receive ads. I kinda understand perverted logic of licensing content and region locking due to price discrimination, but just in my mental model Youtube is more of a service provider than content seller. Edit: Either way, I'm paying for not seeing ads - so why would they still show them to me, after taking my money? It's their problem how they deal with second side (content creators & right owners, etc.) And right now it just seems like punishing paying customer (hey, adblocking is free :)

mnx 9y ago

It baffles me that they didn't launch that internationally - it's not like they need to buy some special licences, they already show all the same content everywhere. And all the specials are being produced after the launch, so they can demand whatever licenses they choose. And there's very clearly demand. They have google music available in a lot of countries, and that seems a lot harder to pull off.

muro 9y ago
Wasn't there some brouhaha about music when YouTube red was launching? Something about "independents" (think Adele, not highschool bands) complaining. Add to that e.g. music on YouTube in Germany. I would guess they would launch at the same time were it not for licensing.
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spiderfarmer 9y ago

I completely forgot about Red's existence. One of the problems with not launching internationally on day one.

iwintermute 9y ago
I guess the difficulty is not technical but, again copyright related. There's no sane "available by default" policy applied worldwide. Or their predicted profits are negligible for small non-english speaking countries so why bother. (there's hope that it'll appear as google music in some distant future)
- mcintyre1994 9y ago
  FWIW it's still not in the UK either.

iwintermute 9y ago

What's even more strange to me is their geographical limitations for existing customers: "[...] If you leave these countries, you won’t be able to save videos offline, videos won’t play in the background, and you will see ads. " [0] [0] https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6307365?hl=en https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6307365?hl=en That's just BS.

mikhailt 9y ago
Why is it strange? It has been common practice for decades now, you couldn't even buy games in Japan and play it on US console 10-20 years ago. That's because you do not own the content, you are licensing the content and the content have geographical restrictions set in place by the content providers. Until everyone sign an agreement to get rid of geographical restrictons, nothing we can do.
- iwintermute 9y ago
  It's strange because in my mind I'm paying for youtube service of getting me videos (either with money or by wasting time on ads) And with this I would continue to pay for service AND also receive ads. I kinda understand perverted logic of licensing content and region locking due to price discrimination, but just in my mental model Youtube is more of a service provider than content seller. Edit: Either way, I'm paying for not seeing ads - so why would they still show them to me, after taking my money? It's their problem how they deal with second side (content creators & right owners, etc.) And right now it just seems like punishing paying customer (hey, adblocking is free :)