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NK having or not having nuclear weapons is a binary choice. AGW is multivariate. If temperature is rising, how much do we expect it to continue rising? If risi

by pvnick 9y ago

NK having or not having nuclear weapons is a binary choice. AGW is multivariate. If temperature is rising, how much do we expect it to continue rising? If rising temperatures are due at least in part to CO2 emissions, then to what degree? How do we choose between the various complex climate models (indeed part of the reason we were so ill-prepared for Hurricane Katrina was that nobody considered the model that predicted the trajectory it ended up taking)? Are rising temperatures invariably bad? What if higher temperatures and CO2 increase forestation? Or maybe it increases biodiversity of harmful things, like diseases? Or maybe it decreases those things? Do CO2 emissions affect weather patterns? How so? Do we get more hurricanes? Do emissions affect water availability? How about acid rain? etc.

yongjik 9y ago
In the context of "Is AGW happening", your argument is not an honest argument, but an attempt to ask a thousand questions and try to drown the argument in the perception of uncertainty. In other words, FUD. But let me try to answer them as best as I can. > If temperature is rising, how much do we expect it to continue rising? It will keep rising as long as we keep generating CO2. > If rising temperatures are due at least in part to CO2 emissions, then to what degree? Stop the "if", "at least", and "in part". Rising temperatures are due to man-made CO2, period. Other causes are rounding errors. > How do we choose between the various complex climate models (indeed part of the reason we were so ill-prepared for Hurricane Katrina was that nobody considered the model that predicted the trajectory it ended up taking)? You mean those that say the sea level would rise 50 cm, 1 m, and 2.5 m? You don't have to know future trajectory of hurricanes in order to build a hotel in Miami. You just assume that a hurricane will hit it at some point in the future and plan for it. > Are rising temperatures invariably bad? Non sequitur. Of course it's not invariably bad. Some people made a fortune with the dot-com bubble, 2008 housing crisis, invasion on Iraq, you name it. The Earth has 7 billion people: basically no disaster will be invariably bad for all of them. > What if higher temperatures and CO2 increase forestation? ...and? > Or maybe it increases biodiversity of harmful things, like diseases? Tropical diseases will most likely spread further, so yes. > Or maybe it decreases those things? I can't see how, but if that happens, well good. There must be at least a few positive effects of climate change. (E.g., the opening of the arctic shipping route.) > Do CO2 emissions affect weather patterns? Well sure. > How so? We're still figuring this out, I'm afraid. > Do we get more hurricanes? Probably. > Do emissions affect water availability? Yes. Google "receding glaciers". > How about acid rain? ...how about acid rain what? I'm surprised that you think "NK having or not having nuclear weapons" is a binary choice, after all. Does it have uranium or plutonium? How much? Is it reliable? Where can it be delivered? Would China back up NK or not? Is it invariably bad? What if it acts as a deterrent against regional war? Does it affect economy of North or South Korea? Does it affect the politics of South Korea? Will we get more military conflict or less? What about Japan?
- antisthenes 9y ago
  You're arguing with a libertarian troll. Nothing good will come of it. Regulation is bad, taxation is theft, no government is good is all you're going to get from him.

by pvnick 9y ago

yongjik 9y ago

In the context of "Is AGW happening", your argument is not an honest argument, but an attempt to ask a thousand questions and try to drown the argument in the perception of uncertainty. In other words, FUD. But let me try to answer them as best as I can. > If temperature is rising, how much do we expect it to continue rising? It will keep rising as long as we keep generating CO2. > If rising temperatures are due at least in part to CO2 emissions, then to what degree? Stop the "if", "at least", and "in part". Rising temperatures are due to man-made CO2, period. Other causes are rounding errors. > How do we choose between the various complex climate models (indeed part of the reason we were so ill-prepared for Hurricane Katrina was that nobody considered the model that predicted the trajectory it ended up taking)? You mean those that say the sea level would rise 50 cm, 1 m, and 2.5 m? You don't have to know future trajectory of hurricanes in order to build a hotel in Miami. You just assume that a hurricane will hit it at some point in the future and plan for it. > Are rising temperatures invariably bad? Non sequitur. Of course it's not invariably bad. Some people made a fortune with the dot-com bubble, 2008 housing crisis, invasion on Iraq, you name it. The Earth has 7 billion people: basically no disaster will be invariably bad for all of them. > What if higher temperatures and CO2 increase forestation? ...and? > Or maybe it increases biodiversity of harmful things, like diseases? Tropical diseases will most likely spread further, so yes. > Or maybe it decreases those things? I can't see how, but if that happens, well good. There must be at least a few positive effects of climate change. (E.g., the opening of the arctic shipping route.) > Do CO2 emissions affect weather patterns? Well sure. > How so? We're still figuring this out, I'm afraid. > Do we get more hurricanes? Probably. > Do emissions affect water availability? Yes. Google "receding glaciers". > How about acid rain? ...how about acid rain what? I'm surprised that you think "NK having or not having nuclear weapons" is a binary choice, after all. Does it have uranium or plutonium? How much? Is it reliable? Where can it be delivered? Would China back up NK or not? Is it invariably bad? What if it acts as a deterrent against regional war? Does it affect economy of North or South Korea? Does it affect the politics of South Korea? Will we get more military conflict or less? What about Japan?

antisthenes 9y ago
You're arguing with a libertarian troll. Nothing good will come of it. Regulation is bad, taxation is theft, no government is good is all you're going to get from him.