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"Devuan Jessie 1.0 RC" on HN yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14167447 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14167447 For those who forgot what D

by helb 9y ago

"Devuan Jessie 1.0 RC" on HN yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14167447 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14167447 For those who forgot what Devuan was, like i did – basically a Debian fork without systemd.

eikenberry 9y ago
Not really a fork, more of a child/derivative distribution. Hard to call them a fork when >99.9% of their packages are straight from Debian.
nextos 9y ago
For systemd-less distros, I really like GuixSD. A functional approach & Scheme for all stuff is a big plus.
- zzalpha 9y ago
  A functional approach & Scheme for all stuff is a big plus. I'll bite. Why? Being "functional" and using "Scheme for all stuff" is just a means to an end. What value does it bring me as a user or administrator? Because I can think of at least one obvious downside: Scheme has no mainstream adoption. So they've picked a niche language (yes Scheme is niche) that users now have to learn. So the value it brings, in terms of features, maintainability, etc, better be significant in order to justify that pain. And I'm talking real value, not the value of intellectual rigor or functional purity. I'm talking about actual, real, tangible features that can't be gotten anywhere else.
  - nextos 9y ago
    Functional administration, not just implementation. Most sysadmin operations are non-destructive. This has huge implications.
    - zzalpha 9y ago
      Care to elaborate? This is a very vague statement taken in its own, and the GuixSD website does no better at explaining their real life value prop...
      - nextos 9y ago
        All system configuration and packages are described declaratively. You can roll back and forth between system definitions.
- jakeogh 9y ago
  Gentoo also works with or without systemd, and the dev's maintain a nice udev replacement, eudev.
  - petre 9y ago
    Yes but you need to compile everything. Gentoo is like a lab distro. OpenRC and eudev are nice things that came out of that lab.
    - jakeogh 9y ago
      True, but I rarely notice. You can set buildpkg to keep the binary packages around for new deployments if necessary. It's not LFS:)

by helb 9y ago

eikenberry 9y ago

Not really a fork, more of a child/derivative distribution. Hard to call them a fork when >99.9% of their packages are straight from Debian.

nextos 9y ago

For systemd-less distros, I really like GuixSD. A functional approach & Scheme for all stuff is a big plus.

zzalpha 9y ago
A functional approach & Scheme for all stuff is a big plus. I'll bite. Why? Being "functional" and using "Scheme for all stuff" is just a means to an end. What value does it bring me as a user or administrator? Because I can think of at least one obvious downside: Scheme has no mainstream adoption. So they've picked a niche language (yes Scheme is niche) that users now have to learn. So the value it brings, in terms of features, maintainability, etc, better be significant in order to justify that pain. And I'm talking real value, not the value of intellectual rigor or functional purity. I'm talking about actual, real, tangible features that can't be gotten anywhere else.
- nextos 9y ago
  Functional administration, not just implementation. Most sysadmin operations are non-destructive. This has huge implications.
  - zzalpha 9y ago
    Care to elaborate? This is a very vague statement taken in its own, and the GuixSD website does no better at explaining their real life value prop...
    - nextos 9y ago
      All system configuration and packages are described declaratively. You can roll back and forth between system definitions.
jakeogh 9y ago
Gentoo also works with or without systemd, and the dev's maintain a nice udev replacement, eudev.
- petre 9y ago
  Yes but you need to compile everything. Gentoo is like a lab distro. OpenRC and eudev are nice things that came out of that lab.
  - jakeogh 9y ago
    True, but I rarely notice. You can set buildpkg to keep the binary packages around for new deployments if necessary. It's not LFS:)