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How did you reach that conclusion? Those things scream "advanced material tech" to me. Almost as much as space rockets.
by tormeh 10y ago
How did you reach that conclusion? Those things scream "advanced material tech" to me. Almost as much as space rockets.
- maxerickson 10y agoThe towers are just lots and lots of steel. A lot of them are made in facilities that were built to make railcars (including big tank cars).
- CydeWeys 10y ago> The towers are just lots and lots of steel. And a lot of engineering is involved to optimize that design, to build the towers as strong as is necessary to survive high wind loads while using as little material as possible so as to minimize cost. You're trivializing something that has a lot of thought put into it just because you don't really understand it well. I can guarantee you that more thought, simulation, and calculation goes into the design of windmill towers than goes into the average software project.
- maxerickson 10y agoAnd from a material standpoint they are still just lots and lots of steel. If it helps, I'm not a software engineer and have an unused degree in mechanical engineering.
- rawrRAWR 10y agoAren't they actually mostly concrete? At least here in Germany they are.
- CydeWeys 10y agoAre you sure? I just Googled a bunch of German wind turbines and I'm not seeing any poles made out of concrete. Do you have photos you can share? Concrete doesn't seem like the right material for this job.
- germanier 10y agoWhile steel seems to be the most common material to built the towers, taller ones seem to use a hybrid construction where the lower part is built of reinforced concrete and the upper one out of steel. The problem seems to be to transport large steel segments as German streets mostly don't fit anything with more than 4m diameter. Towers made out of only concrete seem to be pretty rare. The brochure of one company: https://www.max-boegl.de/en/downloads-en/116-max-boegl-hybrid-power-system/file.html https://www.max-boegl.de/en/downloads-en/116-max-boegl-hybri... (Disclaimer: I know nothing about this and just report back what I read on industry associations' and manufacturers' websites)
- CydeWeys 10y agoFrom a reductive material standpoint, everything is just a collection of ingredients. Processors are "just" silicon. That doesn't make them trivial to engineer. What is your point?
- maxerickson 10y agoIt's thick, rolled plate steel. The manufacturing process isn't amenable to the exquisite engineering you are imagining and steel is cheap. They are pretty damn sure it is strong enough. It isn't the minimum material necessary to ensure that.
- ThomPete 10y agoI don't think anyone is trivializing anything, but those things you mention are mostly solved problems. There isn't that much innovation going on in the field as you might believe.
- tormeh 10y agoSure, the towers may not be that advanced, though I bet they're optimized extensively for cost. It is the blades that I'm thinking of. They have to be light and strong, which aren't particularly new requirements, but I bet the scale adds challenges of its own relative to aircraft wings. Also, I hear wear on the gearboxes for these things are a major pain, so I bet they are pretty advanced as well.
- froindt 10y agoI'm an industrial engineer who deals with manufacturing. There's a ton that goes into the blades. Going higher up yields more energy, but the width of the blades are at the limit for transportation under highway bridges. With every rotation, the blade flexes know force at the bottom, high at the top. The materials are really advancing and the efficiency is improving. Cost is the killer of so many renewable energy sources. There is tons of optimization going on for cost.
- ThomPete 10y agoAs I said there is a few things around the wings. But besides that it's not that advanced an industry.