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You must have never been to Europe. Just look how many black people live in poverty in the US, and how many are shot dead every day.

nickpsecurity 9y ago
"Just look how many black people live in poverty in the US, and how many are shot dead every day" You've been reading a lot of propaganda online. You should look up how many white people, esp rural whites, live in poverty. The poverty problem comes from politics that hurt both races. Then, theres other areas where there's less poverty for both groups. Far as murder, I lived in a "murder capital" where we see a new murder on news every day. You forgot to mention how most of the killers are black, most of their victims are black, and usually from areas/upbringing that are black-controlled. Same in a few others. Funny thing is that the black commentators in media of that city do exactly what you did: mention only the data that more blacks are killed to imply something about non-blacks but don't mention that it's usually black people killing them. You should stop listening to whoever told you that stuff. America is complicated given it's so diverse in politics, economic strategies, race, religion, and so on. Better to look at data from various areas from sources with different biases. Also, listen to comments from people from those areas to get their perspective. Then you'll begin to know something about the country I live in.
- Gigablah 9y ago
  This is a good comment and equally applies to the original post that started this thread.
- tacomonstrous 9y ago
  I agree with the general point that the US is less racist than European nations, but ignoring the larger point that the situation of the black American community is very much a product of decades long racist policies to systematically deny them the opportunity to build wealth seems very disingenuous to me.
  - nickpsecurity 9y ago
    Im not ignoring it. Other commenters are focusing on it to the exclusion of massive impact on whites caused by rural or lower-class discrimination. They also never bring up systematic discrimination against whites in black-run cities or companies. They focus on one talking point to promote a specific narrative. Im calling that out.
    - tacomonstrous 9y ago
      Maybe the fact that the overwhelming majority of cities and companies in the US are run by whites has something to do with that.
      - nickpsecurity 9y ago
        I doubt it. That America, with all its strengths and wesknesses, is mostly white is a weird thing that always comes up in Singapore threads. Someone always does an America comparison, ususlly dismissal, by bringing up white-on-black racism. It's like people are indoctrinated on specific talking points or something. That and the idea all Americans are set to bd wiped away with violent crime. I havent seen it here yet but it's another that showed up dozens of times when Singaporeans counterpoint on blogs. Who knows what your background is but Im calling the oversimplification when I see it. I suggest Singapore drop those talking points to compare cost of capitalism in US with law benefitting mostly owners to their "give some get some model" benefiting their people in general. That would be more fair given America is a plutonomy.
        tacomonstrous 9y ago
        White-on-black racism is not so much a talking point as a fact of American life. There is no oversimplification there. I have no idea what kind of rhetoric is involved in Singaporean dialogue, but that is entirely irrelevant to what I'm saying. Capitalism isn't inherently racist, but it also has no intrinsic qualities that help it repair the ill-effects of past racist policies.
tacomonstrous 9y ago
Europe is racist as all get out. I, as a brown man, never once felt like I belonged or had a chance of belonging. Urban America on the other hand never made me feel out of place (More rural places are different: my wife and I still get asked if we need separate checks).
- rorykoehler 9y ago
  I agree that Europe is racist unfortunately however I recollect serious ghettos in New York. I stayed on a Jewish Street in Brooklyn and there were practically 90% orthodox Jews in the area who avoided me like the plague (I'm white)... I walked a few blocks south and I was the only white guy. The black people there were very friendly and helpful but I could tell my presence was a novelty. I've never seen anything like that in Europe. The other thing that I notice is that race is on the top of everyone's mind all the time in the states to the point that it is a serious problem even when it shouldn't be.
wahern 9y ago
Europeans know all about American racism. But Americans know very little about European racism, especially modern European racism. Ever wonder why that is? That's my point. In most parts of the world someone could discuss American issues of racism like they studied under Cornel West. 5 minutes later they might say, in an off-handed comment, that group X is lazy and/or mostly criminals. And they'll never make the connection. It's mind-boggling. Which isn't to say that plenty of Americans don't deny racism. They just have to work much harder at it, and they at least realize that their opinion is non-normative (even if it's technically the majority opinion).

nickpsecurity 9y ago

"Just look how many black people live in poverty in the US, and how many are shot dead every day" You've been reading a lot of propaganda online. You should look up how many white people, esp rural whites, live in poverty. The poverty problem comes from politics that hurt both races. Then, theres other areas where there's less poverty for both groups. Far as murder, I lived in a "murder capital" where we see a new murder on news every day. You forgot to mention how most of the killers are black, most of their victims are black, and usually from areas/upbringing that are black-controlled. Same in a few others. Funny thing is that the black commentators in media of that city do exactly what you did: mention only the data that more blacks are killed to imply something about non-blacks but don't mention that it's usually black people killing them. You should stop listening to whoever told you that stuff. America is complicated given it's so diverse in politics, economic strategies, race, religion, and so on. Better to look at data from various areas from sources with different biases. Also, listen to comments from people from those areas to get their perspective. Then you'll begin to know something about the country I live in.

Gigablah 9y ago
This is a good comment and equally applies to the original post that started this thread.
tacomonstrous 9y ago
I agree with the general point that the US is less racist than European nations, but ignoring the larger point that the situation of the black American community is very much a product of decades long racist policies to systematically deny them the opportunity to build wealth seems very disingenuous to me.
- nickpsecurity 9y ago
  Im not ignoring it. Other commenters are focusing on it to the exclusion of massive impact on whites caused by rural or lower-class discrimination. They also never bring up systematic discrimination against whites in black-run cities or companies. They focus on one talking point to promote a specific narrative. Im calling that out.
  - tacomonstrous 9y ago
    Maybe the fact that the overwhelming majority of cities and companies in the US are run by whites has something to do with that.
    - nickpsecurity 9y ago
      I doubt it. That America, with all its strengths and wesknesses, is mostly white is a weird thing that always comes up in Singapore threads. Someone always does an America comparison, ususlly dismissal, by bringing up white-on-black racism. It's like people are indoctrinated on specific talking points or something. That and the idea all Americans are set to bd wiped away with violent crime. I havent seen it here yet but it's another that showed up dozens of times when Singaporeans counterpoint on blogs. Who knows what your background is but Im calling the oversimplification when I see it. I suggest Singapore drop those talking points to compare cost of capitalism in US with law benefitting mostly owners to their "give some get some model" benefiting their people in general. That would be more fair given America is a plutonomy.
      - tacomonstrous 9y ago
        White-on-black racism is not so much a talking point as a fact of American life. There is no oversimplification there. I have no idea what kind of rhetoric is involved in Singaporean dialogue, but that is entirely irrelevant to what I'm saying. Capitalism isn't inherently racist, but it also has no intrinsic qualities that help it repair the ill-effects of past racist policies.

tacomonstrous 9y ago

Europe is racist as all get out. I, as a brown man, never once felt like I belonged or had a chance of belonging. Urban America on the other hand never made me feel out of place (More rural places are different: my wife and I still get asked if we need separate checks).

rorykoehler 9y ago
I agree that Europe is racist unfortunately however I recollect serious ghettos in New York. I stayed on a Jewish Street in Brooklyn and there were practically 90% orthodox Jews in the area who avoided me like the plague (I'm white)... I walked a few blocks south and I was the only white guy. The black people there were very friendly and helpful but I could tell my presence was a novelty. I've never seen anything like that in Europe. The other thing that I notice is that race is on the top of everyone's mind all the time in the states to the point that it is a serious problem even when it shouldn't be.

wahern 9y ago

Europeans know all about American racism. But Americans know very little about European racism, especially modern European racism. Ever wonder why that is? That's my point. In most parts of the world someone could discuss American issues of racism like they studied under Cornel West. 5 minutes later they might say, in an off-handed comment, that group X is lazy and/or mostly criminals. And they'll never make the connection. It's mind-boggling. Which isn't to say that plenty of Americans don't deny racism. They just have to work much harder at it, and they at least realize that their opinion is non-normative (even if it's technically the majority opinion).