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In... god, nearly[0] 20 years of reading and engaging in Internet arguments and discussions, I don't think I've ever seen a productive exchange with a certain f
by ashark 10y ago
In... god, nearly[0] 20 years of reading and engaging in Internet arguments and discussions, I don't think I've ever seen a productive exchange with a certain flavor of common-on-the-Internet outspoken and confident market-focused libertarian, though it occupies an enormous number of bits (and person-hours) on the global network. The best case for these is that we discover (again, hooray) that there's more than one reasonable way of understanding individual liberty. The worst case is that some of us discover that (again, OMG can we please stop?), while it continues to elude others and they go on thinking people just don't understand their position because if they did they'd surely agree, leading them to start the whole thing over again the next time it's half-relevant anywhere they post, leaving a trail misery and mises.org links (sigh) in their wake. Let's all spend that time reading some IPE, game theory, comparative politics, and undergrad readings in political philosophy textbooks instead, shall we? It'd be far more improving.
These days it seems to have replaced arguing/trolling about religion (anyone else remember the distant past of the 90s?) as the most common waste of everyone's time in Internet discussions. It'd be best if we just recognize when this kind of thread is about to start and stop posting.
[0 EDIT] uh, whoops, that should be over 20 years. How time flies.
- Jabanga 10y agoI've seen plenty of minds changed in discussions with libertarians. But I agree that the odds that any one debate will lead to a consensus being reached are very low. Debates where one side insists on a politically incorrect position are especially unlikely to lead to anyone's mind being changed. Anecdotally, I used to oppose "market fundamentalism", and there would have been no hope of a free market advocate winning me over. So I agree that 99% of the time it's futile. But there is that rare occasion where someone learns something new. I've personally learned a lot from those who disagree with my market fundamentalist positions.