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A much better example would be to have all students run around a 400 meter track with some students having 1 - 100 meter head start.

jerf 10y ago
No, that would completely miss the point. This isn't about inequality or privilege, this is about survivorship bias. The entire point is to completely remove all those issues in a way that makes it obvious to everybody that the only possible explanation in this made-up example is blind luck. In the real world, it isn't all blind luck, but sometimes there are cases where the luck signal does in fact overwhelm everything else, lotteries being a great example.
- EduardoBautista 10y ago
  Yes, and these are _extreme_ examples. Examples that try to make success appear to be just luck.
  - jerf 10y ago
    "The entire point is to completely remove all those issues in a way that makes it obvious to everybody that the only possible explanation in this made-up example is blind luck."
devdad 10y ago
Some students would have to start at 600 meters with led shoes and weights in their hands. And another group should get to start at 200 meters on bikes.
- xxs 10y ago
  when I read 'led shoes', I thought of the one that literally have LED on them and flash/glow. Then I realized it was meant to be the lead element (Pb), that's actually pronounced (led)... Also typing/pronouncing/using 'LED lights' makes for a great tautology. ("Light emitting diode" lights) English is weird, sometimes.
  - jdmichal 10y ago
    That's RAS Syndrome -- redundant acronym syndrome syndrome. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAS_syndrome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAS_syndrome
TeMPOraL 10y ago
Try 100-200m head start, because 1-10m doesn't appropriately capture how successes compound over time.
- deleted 10y ago
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cm2012 10y ago
LOL at 1-10 meters.
snerbles 10y ago
Your racetrack analogies are deviating too far from the classroom example. If you want to model selective advantages, give one student additional coins to flip.

jerf 10y ago

No, that would completely miss the point. This isn't about inequality or privilege, this is about survivorship bias. The entire point is to completely remove all those issues in a way that makes it obvious to everybody that the only possible explanation in this made-up example is blind luck. In the real world, it isn't all blind luck, but sometimes there are cases where the luck signal does in fact overwhelm everything else, lotteries being a great example.

EduardoBautista 10y ago
Yes, and these are _extreme_ examples. Examples that try to make success appear to be just luck.
- jerf 10y ago
  "The entire point is to completely remove all those issues in a way that makes it obvious to everybody that the only possible explanation in this made-up example is blind luck."

devdad 10y ago

Some students would have to start at 600 meters with led shoes and weights in their hands. And another group should get to start at 200 meters on bikes.

xxs 10y ago
when I read 'led shoes', I thought of the one that literally have LED on them and flash/glow. Then I realized it was meant to be the lead element (Pb), that's actually pronounced (led)... Also typing/pronouncing/using 'LED lights' makes for a great tautology. ("Light emitting diode" lights) English is weird, sometimes.
- jdmichal 10y ago
  That's RAS Syndrome -- redundant acronym syndrome syndrome. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAS_syndrome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAS_syndrome

TeMPOraL 10y ago

Try 100-200m head start, because 1-10m doesn't appropriately capture how successes compound over time.

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cm2012 10y ago

LOL at 1-10 meters.

snerbles 10y ago

Your racetrack analogies are deviating too far from the classroom example. If you want to model selective advantages, give one student additional coins to flip.