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Linux as in Android already won the market. Desktop OSes... are all bad atm imo, for different reasons. Desktop linux is missing many things to be real choice a

Linux as in Android already won the market. Desktop OSes... are all bad atm imo, for different reasons. Desktop linux is missing many things to be real choice and can't win until it changes. e.g.: standard application format, working across all the distros - with isolation, permissions and stuff (see android's .apk files, snap, flatpak, appimage etc). fault-proof system updates. atm it's possible to break something via regular update and it'll cost you dearly. maybe win-style restoration points/backups. unified desktop experience, not current shitshow where every single app can draw it's very own shaped buttons

moron4hire 10y ago
Google is actively working on their own kernel for their consumer facing operating systems. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Fuchsia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Fuchsia So that "win" is going to be relatively short-lived.
- Nomentatus 10y ago
  There's more than one possible reason for this move, but I can't help thinking that escaping the GPL 2 with its (hardware and software) patent grab might be the biggest single reason.
  - walterbell 10y ago
    Did you mean GPL3? If not, would appreciate a link on GPL2 patent issues.
    - Nomentatus 10y ago
      GPL2 Did you Google? Google "gpl 2 patent clause" First result, for me: Patent clauses in software licences - software patents wiki (en.swpat.org) en.swpat.org/wiki/Patent_clauses_in_software_licences Jump to GNU GPL v2 - (See: GPLv2 and patents). See section 6 and section 7. Patent attorney Dan Ravicher argues that GPLv2 includes an implicit ...
      - walterbell 10y ago
        Thanks. Had not seen patent language in GPLv2, but it was implied, https://copyleft.org/guide/comprehensive-gpl-guidech7.html https://copyleft.org/guide/comprehensive-gpl-guidech7.html > The GPLv2, despite being silent with respect to patents, actually confers on its licensees more rights to a licensor’s patents than those licenses that purport to address the issue. This is the case because patent law, under the doctrine of implied license, gives to each distributee of a patented article a license from the distributor to practice any patent claims owned or held by the distributor that cover the distributed article. The implied license also extends to any patent claims owned or held by the distributor that cover “reasonably contemplated uses” of the patented article.
evand 9y ago
Agreed. Giving ISVs one format to deliver their apps to all the distributions will be a big help. To the distros as well - you don't lose users to Ubuntu because Spotify is only distributed as a deb. For those unfamiliar with "snaps", here's a quick primer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLxqdf89hRo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLxqdf89hRo

moron4hire 10y ago

Google is actively working on their own kernel for their consumer facing operating systems. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Fuchsia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Fuchsia So that "win" is going to be relatively short-lived.

Nomentatus 10y ago
There's more than one possible reason for this move, but I can't help thinking that escaping the GPL 2 with its (hardware and software) patent grab might be the biggest single reason.
- walterbell 10y ago
  Did you mean GPL3? If not, would appreciate a link on GPL2 patent issues.
  - Nomentatus 10y ago
    GPL2 Did you Google? Google "gpl 2 patent clause" First result, for me: Patent clauses in software licences - software patents wiki (en.swpat.org) en.swpat.org/wiki/Patent_clauses_in_software_licences Jump to GNU GPL v2 - (See: GPLv2 and patents). See section 6 and section 7. Patent attorney Dan Ravicher argues that GPLv2 includes an implicit ...
    - walterbell 10y ago
      Thanks. Had not seen patent language in GPLv2, but it was implied, https://copyleft.org/guide/comprehensive-gpl-guidech7.html https://copyleft.org/guide/comprehensive-gpl-guidech7.html > The GPLv2, despite being silent with respect to patents, actually confers on its licensees more rights to a licensor’s patents than those licenses that purport to address the issue. This is the case because patent law, under the doctrine of implied license, gives to each distributee of a patented article a license from the distributor to practice any patent claims owned or held by the distributor that cover the distributed article. The implied license also extends to any patent claims owned or held by the distributor that cover “reasonably contemplated uses” of the patented article.

evand 9y ago

Agreed. Giving ISVs one format to deliver their apps to all the distributions will be a big help. To the distros as well - you don't lose users to Ubuntu because Spotify is only distributed as a deb. For those unfamiliar with "snaps", here's a quick primer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLxqdf89hRo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLxqdf89hRo