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The evil business decision was to make Windows 10 a steaming pile of malware. Everything else follows from that. If running Windows 10 weren't such a big securi

The evil business decision was to make Windows 10 a steaming pile of malware. Everything else follows from that. If running Windows 10 weren't such a big security risk, end-of-lifing Windows 7 and 8 wouldn't be a problem.

BEEdwards 10y ago
OSX is sending just as much telemetry back to Apple, but it's less hipster to call their OS a steaming pile of malware...
- deleted 10y ago
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- AnOscelot 10y ago
  I think MacOS gives you an off switch for the telemetry. I know iOS does. Not only does iOS give you an easy way to turn it off, it will also show you the raw data being sent to Apple. Microsoft does neither. You can't turn it off easily if you're not on Enterprise / Education, and the data being sent is encrypted.
  - blibble 10y ago
    the enterprise edition has telemetry too, which can't be completely disabled
- oceanswave 10y ago
  Citation needed. Windows 10 "Basic" level telemetry: https://technet.microsoft.com/itpro/windows/configure/basic-level-windows-diagnostic-events-and-fields https://technet.microsoft.com/itpro/windows/configure/basic-... macOS Sierra Privacy policy and analytics: https://www.apple.com/privacy/privacy-policy/ https://www.apple.com/privacy/privacy-policy/ https://support.apple.com/kb/PH25654?locale=en_US&viewlocale=en_US https://support.apple.com/kb/PH25654?locale=en_US&viewlocale...
  - cptskippy 10y ago
    > With your explicit consent, we may collect data about how you use your device and applications in order to help app developers improve their apps. That is all Apple's policy has to say about Telemetry collection. It doesn't say when or how it gains consent. With Windows you can't install without consent. I'm not going to re-image my Mac to check but I wouldn't at all be surprised if consent was part of that first boot EULA that you agree to. Ultimately you find Microsoft's transparency on the matter is unsettling but Apple's hand waving "Trust us to do the right thing" is ok?
    - Joeri 10y ago
      Also, I've never heard of any OS vendor, microsoft or otherwise, abusing telemetry data. They're incentivized to not abuse this data.

BEEdwards 10y ago

OSX is sending just as much telemetry back to Apple, but it's less hipster to call their OS a steaming pile of malware...

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AnOscelot 10y ago
I think MacOS gives you an off switch for the telemetry. I know iOS does. Not only does iOS give you an easy way to turn it off, it will also show you the raw data being sent to Apple. Microsoft does neither. You can't turn it off easily if you're not on Enterprise / Education, and the data being sent is encrypted.
- blibble 10y ago
  the enterprise edition has telemetry too, which can't be completely disabled
oceanswave 10y ago
Citation needed. Windows 10 "Basic" level telemetry: https://technet.microsoft.com/itpro/windows/configure/basic-level-windows-diagnostic-events-and-fields https://technet.microsoft.com/itpro/windows/configure/basic-... macOS Sierra Privacy policy and analytics: https://www.apple.com/privacy/privacy-policy/ https://www.apple.com/privacy/privacy-policy/ https://support.apple.com/kb/PH25654?locale=en_US&viewlocale=en_US https://support.apple.com/kb/PH25654?locale=en_US&viewlocale...
- cptskippy 10y ago
  > With your explicit consent, we may collect data about how you use your device and applications in order to help app developers improve their apps. That is all Apple's policy has to say about Telemetry collection. It doesn't say when or how it gains consent. With Windows you can't install without consent. I'm not going to re-image my Mac to check but I wouldn't at all be surprised if consent was part of that first boot EULA that you agree to. Ultimately you find Microsoft's transparency on the matter is unsettling but Apple's hand waving "Trust us to do the right thing" is ok?
  - Joeri 10y ago
    Also, I've never heard of any OS vendor, microsoft or otherwise, abusing telemetry data. They're incentivized to not abuse this data.