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Windows 7 was end of life'd in January of 2015. I don't think this is some kind of evil business decision Microsoft made. Switching to Linux isn't a magical w

Windows 7 was end of life'd in January of 2015. I don't think this is some kind of evil business decision Microsoft made. Switching to Linux isn't a magical way to ensure your OS version will be supported for the rest of eternity. Linux is great for many things, but give the Microsoft/Windows is evil thing a rest.

youdontknowtho 10y ago
You're right. Windows for Workgroups 3.11 isn't getting patches for Kaby Lake either. Those evil bastards.
- gambiting 10y ago
  The difference is that according to this: https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0 https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share... Windows 7 still has twice as large install base as Windows 10. It's literally nothing other than MS stopping support for 7 because 10 is out - imagine the outrage if Tesla stopped supporting an older model S because a new one was out.
  - filmor 10y ago
    The main difference is that here Microsoft arbitrarily put a check for the cpuid in while Kaby Lake is probably as compatible with Windows 7 as any previous 64bit Intel CPU. Windows 3.11 doesn't have this, if you have any i386 compatible CPU it will run just fine and will happily apply all available patches.
    - bobmno 10y ago
      It checked the DOS version and errored out on non-MS implementations of DOS.
    - Chaebixi 10y ago
      > The main difference is that here Microsoft arbitrarily put a check for the cpuid in while Kaby Lake is probably as compatible with Windows 7 as any previous 64bit Intel CPU. Windows 3.11 doesn't have this, if you have any i386 compatible CPU it will run just fine and will happily apply all available patches. IIRC, the compatibility problems with the new processors are processor drivers and power management. However, the dumb thing is that Microsoft already made the engineering effort to support those things, since they used to support Windows 7 on the now-unsupported architectures. Now they're taking it away to push Windows 10 some more.
philipov 10y ago
The evil business decision was to make Windows 10 a steaming pile of malware. Everything else follows from that. If running Windows 10 weren't such a big security risk, end-of-lifing Windows 7 and 8 wouldn't be a problem.
- BEEdwards 10y ago
  OSX is sending just as much telemetry back to Apple, but it's less hipster to call their OS a steaming pile of malware...
  - deleted 10y ago
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  - AnOscelot 10y ago
    I think MacOS gives you an off switch for the telemetry. I know iOS does. Not only does iOS give you an easy way to turn it off, it will also show you the raw data being sent to Apple. Microsoft does neither. You can't turn it off easily if you're not on Enterprise / Education, and the data being sent is encrypted.
    - blibble 10y ago
      the enterprise edition has telemetry too, which can't be completely disabled
  - oceanswave 10y ago
    Citation needed. Windows 10 "Basic" level telemetry: https://technet.microsoft.com/itpro/windows/configure/basic-level-windows-diagnostic-events-and-fields https://technet.microsoft.com/itpro/windows/configure/basic-... macOS Sierra Privacy policy and analytics: https://www.apple.com/privacy/privacy-policy/ https://www.apple.com/privacy/privacy-policy/ https://support.apple.com/kb/PH25654?locale=en_US&viewlocale=en_US https://support.apple.com/kb/PH25654?locale=en_US&viewlocale...
    - cptskippy 10y ago
AlexandrB 10y ago
They're also not supporting Windows 8 which is not EOL yet.

youdontknowtho 10y ago

You're right. Windows for Workgroups 3.11 isn't getting patches for Kaby Lake either. Those evil bastards.

gambiting 10y ago
The difference is that according to this: https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0 https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share... Windows 7 still has twice as large install base as Windows 10. It's literally nothing other than MS stopping support for 7 because 10 is out - imagine the outrage if Tesla stopped supporting an older model S because a new one was out.
- filmor 10y ago
  The main difference is that here Microsoft arbitrarily put a check for the cpuid in while Kaby Lake is probably as compatible with Windows 7 as any previous 64bit Intel CPU. Windows 3.11 doesn't have this, if you have any i386 compatible CPU it will run just fine and will happily apply all available patches.
  - bobmno 10y ago
    It checked the DOS version and errored out on non-MS implementations of DOS.
  - Chaebixi 10y ago
    > The main difference is that here Microsoft arbitrarily put a check for the cpuid in while Kaby Lake is probably as compatible with Windows 7 as any previous 64bit Intel CPU. Windows 3.11 doesn't have this, if you have any i386 compatible CPU it will run just fine and will happily apply all available patches. IIRC, the compatibility problems with the new processors are processor drivers and power management. However, the dumb thing is that Microsoft already made the engineering effort to support those things, since they used to support Windows 7 on the now-unsupported architectures. Now they're taking it away to push Windows 10 some more.

philipov 10y ago

The evil business decision was to make Windows 10 a steaming pile of malware. Everything else follows from that. If running Windows 10 weren't such a big security risk, end-of-lifing Windows 7 and 8 wouldn't be a problem.

BEEdwards 10y ago
OSX is sending just as much telemetry back to Apple, but it's less hipster to call their OS a steaming pile of malware...
- deleted 10y ago
  [deleted]
- AnOscelot 10y ago
  I think MacOS gives you an off switch for the telemetry. I know iOS does. Not only does iOS give you an easy way to turn it off, it will also show you the raw data being sent to Apple. Microsoft does neither. You can't turn it off easily if you're not on Enterprise / Education, and the data being sent is encrypted.
  - blibble 10y ago
    the enterprise edition has telemetry too, which can't be completely disabled
- oceanswave 10y ago
  Citation needed. Windows 10 "Basic" level telemetry: https://technet.microsoft.com/itpro/windows/configure/basic-level-windows-diagnostic-events-and-fields https://technet.microsoft.com/itpro/windows/configure/basic-... macOS Sierra Privacy policy and analytics: https://www.apple.com/privacy/privacy-policy/ https://www.apple.com/privacy/privacy-policy/ https://support.apple.com/kb/PH25654?locale=en_US&viewlocale=en_US https://support.apple.com/kb/PH25654?locale=en_US&viewlocale...
  - cptskippy 10y ago

AlexandrB 10y ago

They're also not supporting Windows 8 which is not EOL yet.