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Not every person thinks the same or have the same moral believes. Only because you think that Chrome monoculture is a good thing with rational arguments, you ca

Not every person thinks the same or have the same moral believes. Only because you think that Chrome monoculture is a good thing with rational arguments, you can't assume that everyone agrees with that. Just the fact that not everyone uses the Chrome engine today is a good indicator to that. Or that we are having this argument. What will happen is that people not agreeing on Chrome monoculture will go else where. So even if you have the same engine, others have the possibility to create a total different web system. Now you have two different webs. To what gain? Also an engine monoculture will eventually be treated as the de facto standard and the real standard will be ignored, i.e. implantation details will trump good design.

johncolanduoni 9y ago
I'm not arguing in favor of a Chrome monoculture, since I don't want one. I just don't see how Chrome monoculture => black market happens. It wouldn't even had made sense as a response to the old IE monoculture. Also the fact that this is even an issue is a product of HTML5, etc. leaving a lot of room for undefined behavior and being easy to misinterpret/misimplement. You don't even have to purposely bend the standard to try and create a monoculture; hard to predict implementation differences happen organically.
- fetbaffe 9y ago
  Black market is what happens who there is no choice. For the old IE, Firefox happened (and other as well).
  - johncolanduoni 9y ago
    Okay, but what does Firefox's ascendance have to do with a black market? It wasn't even breaking some hard to enforce Microsoft EULA provision. IE got lazy, and Firefox offered a dramatically better experience. Whenever a new product overtakes a more established competitor because it's better, is there a black market involved? My purpose isn't (just) pedantic. You claimed "No, forcing everyone to use the same engine does not give the incentive to refactor it into something nice. It gives the incentive to create a black market.", but then your example shows an incentive to make a superior product. It starts making a lot less sense in Blink's case if you change it to the more accurate "No, forcing everyone to use the same engine does not give the incentive to refactor it into something nice. It gives the incentive to create a superior product." Why not a superior product that starts with a Blink fork?
    - fetbaffe 9y ago
      Okay, I get your point, however my focus is the word force. For me it means a gun pointing at your head, no choice. IE did not force anyone doing anything, even if it had a de facto monopoly, therefore Firefox was created, because people chose to. In this scenario I'm discussing it would not be allowed to create a Firefox, because everyone was forced to use Chrome, hence a black market is created.

johncolanduoni 9y ago

I'm not arguing in favor of a Chrome monoculture, since I don't want one. I just don't see how Chrome monoculture => black market happens. It wouldn't even had made sense as a response to the old IE monoculture. Also the fact that this is even an issue is a product of HTML5, etc. leaving a lot of room for undefined behavior and being easy to misinterpret/misimplement. You don't even have to purposely bend the standard to try and create a monoculture; hard to predict implementation differences happen organically.

fetbaffe 9y ago
Black market is what happens who there is no choice. For the old IE, Firefox happened (and other as well).
- johncolanduoni 9y ago
  Okay, but what does Firefox's ascendance have to do with a black market? It wasn't even breaking some hard to enforce Microsoft EULA provision. IE got lazy, and Firefox offered a dramatically better experience. Whenever a new product overtakes a more established competitor because it's better, is there a black market involved? My purpose isn't (just) pedantic. You claimed "No, forcing everyone to use the same engine does not give the incentive to refactor it into something nice. It gives the incentive to create a black market.", but then your example shows an incentive to make a superior product. It starts making a lot less sense in Blink's case if you change it to the more accurate "No, forcing everyone to use the same engine does not give the incentive to refactor it into something nice. It gives the incentive to create a superior product." Why not a superior product that starts with a Blink fork?
  - fetbaffe 9y ago
    Okay, I get your point, however my focus is the word force. For me it means a gun pointing at your head, no choice. IE did not force anyone doing anything, even if it had a de facto monopoly, therefore Firefox was created, because people chose to. In this scenario I'm discussing it would not be allowed to create a Firefox, because everyone was forced to use Chrome, hence a black market is created.