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A very sensational title. One of their suppliers F'ed up, and now Tesla needs to check and replace a small part in some of their cars. All that's required is a

A very sensational title. One of their suppliers F'ed up, and now Tesla needs to check and replace a small part in some of their cars. All that's required is a visit to a service centre. Doesn't seem like a big deal.

_Codemonkeyism 10y ago
This can be said about any problem in any car, "one of their suppliers f'ed up" because most things in a car are manufactured by suppliers today. Car manufacturers only assemble sub systems from 3rd parties. How comes if Ford f'ed up, it's Ford. If Toyota f'ed up, it's Toyota. If Tesla f'ed up (doors, brakes) it's a supplier?
- notatoad 10y ago
  Ford and Toyota have recalls on this scale and of this severity every couple months, and nobody notices. Tesla deserves a defence here because if it were any other automaker, the story wouldn't be "ford f'ed up", it wouldn't be news at all. As a fun example, my ford was recalled last year because the windshield wipers might be flammable. Did you read about that in the news?
  - jstandard 10y ago
    Tesla doesn't have anywhere near the scale, history or number of product lines to make this a valid comparison. People have been more tolerant of Tesla issues because of attachment to the mission/Elon and their role as early adopters. Now as Tesla moves toward the mainstream greater scrutiny, such as recall notices, should be given to them.
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- JumpCrisscross 10y ago
  If the issue were the brakes not engaging, sure, I'd blame Tesla. When the issue is "the parking brake may not disengage and then you'll have to call AAA and your ice cream will melt," I'm okay with blaming the supplier.
  - ismail-khan 10y ago
    Tesla is still responsible for picking the right supplier & some degree of quality control even on components they didn't manufacture themselves. Perfectly OK to hold them responsible as well.
  - kirillzubovsky 10y ago
    I've seen a v-long once from a guy in UK whose breaks had this problem (in retrospect) and he couldn't move his car outside of the parking area; they couldn't even tow it at first, because the towing company didn't know how to get an immovable object out of its space. Granted, from what I understand Tesla paid for everything and fixed his car; it's only his time that was spent on this, but every car breaks down at some point too. Oh, and they were able to eventually move his car by elevating it onto a set of rolling beds, and then rolling it onto a truck that way. It looked pretty funny :)
problems 10y ago
> All that's required is a visit to a service centre. Doesn't seem like a big deal. This is probably true for now when the Teslas in production are mostly in the hands of people who can work out time and have a job secure enough to allow for that kind of thing. Tesla keeps having issues like this - and if they don't fix it by the time the Model 3 hits, this kind of thing could be their killer. They're basically throwing money at the problem right now - and I could be wrong, but that probably won't scale so well. They really need to up the ante on their quality control. EDIT: Wow, some serious Tesla fan boys around here... should have expected that I guess.
- function_seven 10y ago
  > I could be wrong, but that probably won't scale so well. This is an extremely common, routine even, thing that happens in the automotive industry. Every make and model of car has recalls from time to time, for issues just as minor as this. It scales.
  - problems 10y ago
    Most of those manufacturers don't have to ship a car out-of-country to get it serviced though. Which - at least in my country is what Tesla has been doing.
    - function_seven 10y ago
      Ok, that wouldn’t scale at all! But I imagine that if sales of that car increase in your country, then Tesla would build a service center there to save money. At this (small) scale, it’s probably cheaper to ship and fix than it is to staff up a service center.
      - problems 10y ago
        Are they planning to build out a full dealership network for their more consumer oriented stuff or are they still sticking with their direct-to-consumer model?

_Codemonkeyism 10y ago

This can be said about any problem in any car, "one of their suppliers f'ed up" because most things in a car are manufactured by suppliers today. Car manufacturers only assemble sub systems from 3rd parties. How comes if Ford f'ed up, it's Ford. If Toyota f'ed up, it's Toyota. If Tesla f'ed up (doors, brakes) it's a supplier?

notatoad 10y ago
Ford and Toyota have recalls on this scale and of this severity every couple months, and nobody notices. Tesla deserves a defence here because if it were any other automaker, the story wouldn't be "ford f'ed up", it wouldn't be news at all. As a fun example, my ford was recalled last year because the windshield wipers might be flammable. Did you read about that in the news?
- jstandard 10y ago
  Tesla doesn't have anywhere near the scale, history or number of product lines to make this a valid comparison. People have been more tolerant of Tesla issues because of attachment to the mission/Elon and their role as early adopters. Now as Tesla moves toward the mainstream greater scrutiny, such as recall notices, should be given to them.
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JumpCrisscross 10y ago
If the issue were the brakes not engaging, sure, I'd blame Tesla. When the issue is "the parking brake may not disengage and then you'll have to call AAA and your ice cream will melt," I'm okay with blaming the supplier.
- ismail-khan 10y ago
  Tesla is still responsible for picking the right supplier & some degree of quality control even on components they didn't manufacture themselves. Perfectly OK to hold them responsible as well.
- kirillzubovsky 10y ago
  I've seen a v-long once from a guy in UK whose breaks had this problem (in retrospect) and he couldn't move his car outside of the parking area; they couldn't even tow it at first, because the towing company didn't know how to get an immovable object out of its space. Granted, from what I understand Tesla paid for everything and fixed his car; it's only his time that was spent on this, but every car breaks down at some point too. Oh, and they were able to eventually move his car by elevating it onto a set of rolling beds, and then rolling it onto a truck that way. It looked pretty funny :)

problems 10y ago

> All that's required is a visit to a service centre. Doesn't seem like a big deal. This is probably true for now when the Teslas in production are mostly in the hands of people who can work out time and have a job secure enough to allow for that kind of thing. Tesla keeps having issues like this - and if they don't fix it by the time the Model 3 hits, this kind of thing could be their killer. They're basically throwing money at the problem right now - and I could be wrong, but that probably won't scale so well. They really need to up the ante on their quality control. EDIT: Wow, some serious Tesla fan boys around here... should have expected that I guess.

function_seven 10y ago
> I could be wrong, but that probably won't scale so well. This is an extremely common, routine even, thing that happens in the automotive industry. Every make and model of car has recalls from time to time, for issues just as minor as this. It scales.
- problems 10y ago
  Most of those manufacturers don't have to ship a car out-of-country to get it serviced though. Which - at least in my country is what Tesla has been doing.
  - function_seven 10y ago
    Ok, that wouldn’t scale at all! But I imagine that if sales of that car increase in your country, then Tesla would build a service center there to save money. At this (small) scale, it’s probably cheaper to ship and fix than it is to staff up a service center.
    - problems 10y ago
      Are they planning to build out a full dealership network for their more consumer oriented stuff or are they still sticking with their direct-to-consumer model?