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> Standards are standards because there are many groups of people with many different, and changing, requirements using them. That's why they get complex. This

> Standards are standards because there are many groups of people with many different, and changing, requirements using them. That's why they get complex. This doesn't correspond to the information I have about SVG. As far as I know, W3 consortium rejected numerous proposals for a vector graphics standard and created their own from scratch. But I was not sure of that, so I did a little online research. I found this page linked from Wikipedia: https://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/Secret_Origin_of_SVG https://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/Secret_Origin_of_SVG > The SVG WG examined the general requirements and the various submissions, and decided to not 'develop' any of the submissions, but to develop a new language informed by, but not really based on, any of the submissions. According to this page, they claim they invented it themselves, "not really based on" any of the submissions. I actually do not know if the other submissions there are as much of a muddle as SVG, but I doubt it.

dahart 9y ago
What's your point? That doesn't mean anything. Proposals for standards are rejected all the time by all standards committees. You don't seem to understand the reality of standards work, it is notoriously difficult. What do you propose to do with SVG? Get rid of it? Replace it? With what?
- Safety1stClyde 9y ago
  > Proposals for standards are rejected all the time by all standards committees. and yet > Standards are standards because there are many groups of people with many different, and changing, requirements using them. So on the one hand they're rejecting whatever, and on the other hand they are catering to all the different and changing requirements. > What's your point? I do not wish to seem rude but my point is "SVG is a good example of an overflexible, overcomplex standard with too much variety, too many options, too many different ways to do the same thing. The huge flexibility makes it almost impossible to correctly and fully implement."
  - dahart 9y ago
    You don't seem rude, but you do you seem unwilling say something constructive. Since Amelia isn't sure she wants to continue with SVG standards work, I volunteer you to go and simplify and fix the SVG standard. You've stated your opinion that it's too complex three times, so you must know what parts of it can be cleaned up? Go do it.
    - Safety1stClyde 9y ago
      How is that constructive, you are just being silly now.
      - jononor 9y ago
        For something constructive, need a suggestions for a solution, a way forward. Pointing out problems is not the hard thing, solving or preventing the problem is.

dahart 9y ago

What's your point? That doesn't mean anything. Proposals for standards are rejected all the time by all standards committees. You don't seem to understand the reality of standards work, it is notoriously difficult. What do you propose to do with SVG? Get rid of it? Replace it? With what?

Safety1stClyde 9y ago
> Proposals for standards are rejected all the time by all standards committees. and yet > Standards are standards because there are many groups of people with many different, and changing, requirements using them. So on the one hand they're rejecting whatever, and on the other hand they are catering to all the different and changing requirements. > What's your point? I do not wish to seem rude but my point is "SVG is a good example of an overflexible, overcomplex standard with too much variety, too many options, too many different ways to do the same thing. The huge flexibility makes it almost impossible to correctly and fully implement."
- dahart 9y ago
  You don't seem rude, but you do you seem unwilling say something constructive. Since Amelia isn't sure she wants to continue with SVG standards work, I volunteer you to go and simplify and fix the SVG standard. You've stated your opinion that it's too complex three times, so you must know what parts of it can be cleaned up? Go do it.
  - Safety1stClyde 9y ago
    How is that constructive, you are just being silly now.
    - jononor 9y ago
      For something constructive, need a suggestions for a solution, a way forward. Pointing out problems is not the hard thing, solving or preventing the problem is.