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Firefox is a lot older so obviously the issues are also a lot older. You can find the oldest unfixed bugs for Chromium here (https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromi

by hashhar 10y ago

Firefox is a lot older so obviously the issues are also a lot older. You can find the oldest unfixed bugs for Chromium here (https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/list?can=2&q=&sort=id&colspec=ID%20Pri%20M%20Stars%20ReleaseBlock%20Component%20Status%20Owner%20Summary%20OS%20Modified https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/list?can=2&q=&so...). A lot of those issues are from 2008 (that's when Google Chrome launched) and hence means that have been there since the beginning and most of them affect user interaction. Throwing dirt doesn't help anyone. If you have the skills and time, contribute a browser of your choice.

ng12 10y ago
I'm not expecting Firefox to be perfect, nor do I think it's a particularly bad browser. I'm specifically trying to point out why web devs are generally accepting of Chrome's dominance when they previously rebelled so hard against IE. The answer is it's not monoculture that's the problem, it's the quality of the technology the monoculture is based on -- and I think it's clear that Chrome is by far the best modern browser to develop against. I don't think you'll find anything in that bug list that's even close to the severity of a missing feature that's supported in every other browser as far back as IE8.
- pcwalton 10y ago
  > I don't think you'll find anything in that bug list that's even close to the severity of a missing feature that's supported in every other browser as far back as IE8. Yes, you will. Take the border-collapse bug I mentioned: it doesn't affect other engines, to my knowledge. Border-collapse goes back to, like, IE5.
  - ng12 10y ago
    That's not even in the same league as either of the Firefox issues I've referenced. The first is actually app-breaking (in our case users couldn't see any of the select options) the second is just plain IE-level of stubbornness. I'm not saying Chrome is perfectly immaculate, just trying to explain why it's so popular among the dev community in a way FF/IE are not.
- bzbarsky 9y ago
  > I don't think you'll find anything in that bug list that's even close to the severity of a missing feature that's supported in every other browser You mean like not supporting high-contrast themes on Windows, literally the first thing on the list at https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=92 https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=92 ? Not a problem for web devs obviously, just for users, which I guess is partly your point. Or https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=2016 https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=2016 which is about XHR not providing progress notifications properly and at filing time was working correctly in Firefox 3 and IE 7? Or the lack of sane text rendering behavior, having to at best opt into ligature support, if you can get them at all, etc? That's something they finally fixed recently, after 8+ years of it being a problem. Or missing MathML support? Granted, some other browsers are pretty bad on this too. Seriously, there's lots of stuff Chrome couldn't and can't do that other browsers can do. They're just much better (not least due to spending way more money on it) at steering web devs to never try the things Chrome is bad at and focus on the things the Chrome dev team has been focusing on...

by hashhar 10y ago

ng12 10y ago

I'm not expecting Firefox to be perfect, nor do I think it's a particularly bad browser. I'm specifically trying to point out why web devs are generally accepting of Chrome's dominance when they previously rebelled so hard against IE. The answer is it's not monoculture that's the problem, it's the quality of the technology the monoculture is based on -- and I think it's clear that Chrome is by far the best modern browser to develop against. I don't think you'll find anything in that bug list that's even close to the severity of a missing feature that's supported in every other browser as far back as IE8.

pcwalton 10y ago
> I don't think you'll find anything in that bug list that's even close to the severity of a missing feature that's supported in every other browser as far back as IE8. Yes, you will. Take the border-collapse bug I mentioned: it doesn't affect other engines, to my knowledge. Border-collapse goes back to, like, IE5.
- ng12 10y ago
  That's not even in the same league as either of the Firefox issues I've referenced. The first is actually app-breaking (in our case users couldn't see any of the select options) the second is just plain IE-level of stubbornness. I'm not saying Chrome is perfectly immaculate, just trying to explain why it's so popular among the dev community in a way FF/IE are not.
bzbarsky 9y ago
> I don't think you'll find anything in that bug list that's even close to the severity of a missing feature that's supported in every other browser You mean like not supporting high-contrast themes on Windows, literally the first thing on the list at https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=92 https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=92 ? Not a problem for web devs obviously, just for users, which I guess is partly your point. Or https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=2016 https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=2016 which is about XHR not providing progress notifications properly and at filing time was working correctly in Firefox 3 and IE 7? Or the lack of sane text rendering behavior, having to at best opt into ligature support, if you can get them at all, etc? That's something they finally fixed recently, after 8+ years of it being a problem. Or missing MathML support? Granted, some other browsers are pretty bad on this too. Seriously, there's lots of stuff Chrome couldn't and can't do that other browsers can do. They're just much better (not least due to spending way more money on it) at steering web devs to never try the things Chrome is bad at and focus on the things the Chrome dev team has been focusing on...