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Pretty weak response. I fail to see how their machine's "consistent pressing" improves on a blender or juicer in the "taste and nutrition" department, and that

Pretty weak response. I fail to see how their machine's "consistent pressing" improves on a blender or juicer in the "taste and nutrition" department, and that is the point that sells the $400 machine. Point 3 about the "connected supply chain" is just a boast. On point 1, are people dying left and right from eating recalled food? I'm not convinced there's enough of a problem there to warrant such defenses, especially when it looks a lot more like a market capture tool.

mikeyouse 10y ago
> On point 1, are people dying left and right from eating recalled food? Dying? Not typically. Getting seriously ill? Yeah.. The CDC shows ~375,000 food-borne illnesses since 1998 resulting in 337 deaths -- both of which are bare minimums since many illnesses won't be traced back to a specific outbreak. https://wwwn.cdc.gov/foodborneoutbreaks/ https://wwwn.cdc.gov/foodborneoutbreaks/ There are likely other solutions besides proprietary juice packages but it's a fairly serious issue. A friend of mine works in the Central Valley as QA lead for a few different companies -- getting low-margin businesses to spend money on ensuring food safety is an uphill task.
- fusiongyro 10y ago
  That's like 20,000 per year, if you divide it out, and in a country of 400 million people it's not a significant problem. I'd find it pretty surprising if that was mostly related to juicing, as opposed to other causes.
- neaden 10y ago
  Recalled food represents a small amount of this. Most foodborne illnesses are the result of improper storage, handling, or cooking at the time or preparation. The chicken isn't thawed properly before being cooked, the soup is stored at 130 degrees, or the chef doesn't wash their hands between touching raw meat and salad or after going to the bathroom.
- _pmf_ 10y ago
  How much of those are meat/dairy and how much is produce, though? I'd be surprised if it's not something like 95 percent to 5 percent.
SOLAR_FIELDS 10y ago
If someone wants to corner the juicer market, all they have to do is engineer one that can be completely cleaned in under 30 seconds. The best ones I have seen still take several minutes to fully clean.
- fusiongyro 10y ago
  I had a Breville something-or-other. Using it was such a project because of the washing ritual. After a month or so I gave it to my mother, who I don't think has ever used it. I agree completely.
- Waterluvian 10y ago
  Yes!!! Same with a blender (not as bad but still) or a food processor. I like making food but I hate plastic corners where food congregates.
- kardos 10y ago
  Even better than that, you hook it into the water supply and it cleans itself.
mannykannot 10y ago
It is the classic problem of having to say something but having nothing to say.
gnicholas 10y ago
Also, they know precisely which customers were shipped which packs, so they can easily email the affected customers and tell them not to use the packs. There's no need to build a DRM system to lock out packs that have been flagged.

mikeyouse 10y ago

> On point 1, are people dying left and right from eating recalled food? Dying? Not typically. Getting seriously ill? Yeah.. The CDC shows ~375,000 food-borne illnesses since 1998 resulting in 337 deaths -- both of which are bare minimums since many illnesses won't be traced back to a specific outbreak. https://wwwn.cdc.gov/foodborneoutbreaks/ https://wwwn.cdc.gov/foodborneoutbreaks/ There are likely other solutions besides proprietary juice packages but it's a fairly serious issue. A friend of mine works in the Central Valley as QA lead for a few different companies -- getting low-margin businesses to spend money on ensuring food safety is an uphill task.

fusiongyro 10y ago
That's like 20,000 per year, if you divide it out, and in a country of 400 million people it's not a significant problem. I'd find it pretty surprising if that was mostly related to juicing, as opposed to other causes.
neaden 10y ago
Recalled food represents a small amount of this. Most foodborne illnesses are the result of improper storage, handling, or cooking at the time or preparation. The chicken isn't thawed properly before being cooked, the soup is stored at 130 degrees, or the chef doesn't wash their hands between touching raw meat and salad or after going to the bathroom.
_pmf_ 10y ago
How much of those are meat/dairy and how much is produce, though? I'd be surprised if it's not something like 95 percent to 5 percent.

SOLAR_FIELDS 10y ago

If someone wants to corner the juicer market, all they have to do is engineer one that can be completely cleaned in under 30 seconds. The best ones I have seen still take several minutes to fully clean.

fusiongyro 10y ago
I had a Breville something-or-other. Using it was such a project because of the washing ritual. After a month or so I gave it to my mother, who I don't think has ever used it. I agree completely.
Waterluvian 10y ago
Yes!!! Same with a blender (not as bad but still) or a food processor. I like making food but I hate plastic corners where food congregates.
kardos 10y ago
Even better than that, you hook it into the water supply and it cleans itself.

mannykannot 10y ago

It is the classic problem of having to say something but having nothing to say.

gnicholas 10y ago

Also, they know precisely which customers were shipped which packs, so they can easily email the affected customers and tell them not to use the packs. There's no need to build a DRM system to lock out packs that have been flagged.