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I'm glad you understand what that price is and are happy to pay it. I personally have a hard time evaluating the price because the _whats_ and _hows_ of a site'

I'm glad you understand what that price is and are happy to pay it. I personally have a hard time evaluating the price because the _whats_ and _hows_ of a site's tracking seldom are disclosed in a clear and concise manner that I can review ad understand before the tracking occurs. And even if it was, that would be a lot of friction to do for every site I might visit. I find it much easier to control by deciding on a policy up front and letting my browser help me enforce it.

MarkMc 9y ago
The problem with that approach is that you are going against the wishes of the person who produced the website. To my mind if someone creates something of value, the creator should have a say over how that something is consumed. To use something without the permission of the owner feels a bit dirty. If I don't agree to the terms of use for a website I simply won't use it.
- undersuit 9y ago
  >the creator should have a say over how that something is consumed. The creator can have input, they have no say in a public environment. >To use something without the permission of the owner feels a bit dirty. The permission has already been granted. If it's on the web I can download it and use it for whatever dirty personal uses I can imagine.
- rodovich 9y ago
  > To my mind if someone creates something of value, the creator should have a say over how that something is consumed. To use something without the permission of the owner feels a bit dirty. I agree. That's why I want a say in how my data is consumed.
  - MarkMc 9y ago
    Person A: "I created a web page. I'll let you view it if you also look at this advertisement" Person B: "No, I don't agree to your condition. I'll just view the page without the advertisement" ------------------- Person A: "I've built this car. I'll let you drive it if you keep the speed under 60 miles per hour" Person B: "No, I don't agree to your condition. I'll just drive your car and go at whatever speed I like" ------------------- Person A: "I baked a cake. I'll let you eat it if you give me $5" Person B: "No, I don't agree to your condition. I'll just eat the cake and give you nothing"
    - ethics_gradient 9y ago
      Privacy really isn't transactional, it's a ecological issue. There's no way for you to make that decision without (as a group) impacting others. A choice to not use Google or Facebook can now be crippling for some people, and fairly bothersome for most.

MarkMc 9y ago

The problem with that approach is that you are going against the wishes of the person who produced the website. To my mind if someone creates something of value, the creator should have a say over how that something is consumed. To use something without the permission of the owner feels a bit dirty. If I don't agree to the terms of use for a website I simply won't use it.

undersuit 9y ago
>the creator should have a say over how that something is consumed. The creator can have input, they have no say in a public environment. >To use something without the permission of the owner feels a bit dirty. The permission has already been granted. If it's on the web I can download it and use it for whatever dirty personal uses I can imagine.
rodovich 9y ago
> To my mind if someone creates something of value, the creator should have a say over how that something is consumed. To use something without the permission of the owner feels a bit dirty. I agree. That's why I want a say in how my data is consumed.
- MarkMc 9y ago
  Person A: "I created a web page. I'll let you view it if you also look at this advertisement" Person B: "No, I don't agree to your condition. I'll just view the page without the advertisement" ------------------- Person A: "I've built this car. I'll let you drive it if you keep the speed under 60 miles per hour" Person B: "No, I don't agree to your condition. I'll just drive your car and go at whatever speed I like" ------------------- Person A: "I baked a cake. I'll let you eat it if you give me $5" Person B: "No, I don't agree to your condition. I'll just eat the cake and give you nothing"
  - ethics_gradient 9y ago
    Privacy really isn't transactional, it's a ecological issue. There's no way for you to make that decision without (as a group) impacting others. A choice to not use Google or Facebook can now be crippling for some people, and fairly bothersome for most.