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That's just silly. Kubernetes is an open source project too, and I don't think Google is making a ton of money from it.

by markbnj 10y ago

ohdrat 10y ago
Smaller vendors are making money from turnkey k8s. There are at least two I won't mention. Docker is out on a limb with the dynamic mesh, nobody else is using the p2p gossip protocol that I know of and there are problems, and Docker paid-for support is just dropping tickets related to networking issues making this work. The service outages caused by mesh gossip problems are simply measureable by NewRelic free ping synthetic monitors. Docker is getting paid--they are falling down on support.
- krakensden 10y ago
  Consul is all p2p gossip, and it seems to be pretty popular.
orcy 10y ago
As far as I know they offer kubernetes environment in their cloud hosting services, so they may make some actual money out of it
zobzu 10y ago
Google does not need kubernetes to be successful or make any money to survive. Docker, on the other hand........
- wstrange 10y ago
  Indirectly I think Google does need Kubernetes to be successful. If they can drive adoption, it makes it much easier to move customers away from AWS and on to GCE.
  - alpb 10y ago
    Kubernetes benefits all parties. AWS can move customers away from GCE using Kubernetes, too. As a customer, you get more freedom and flexibility.
    - brango 10y ago
      I'm surprised we still haven't seen a K8s solution from AWS yet. Their container engine looks OK, but K8s handles setting up internal LBs and has minikube for local development. The AWS app LB seems far behind. I'm looking forward to them accepting defeat on this one and just natively supporting K8s like Google.
      - alpb 10y ago
        There are companies like CoreOS, Heptio trying to provide good Kubernetes support for AWS. Personally, I don't think all cloud providers _have to_ provide native Kubernetes support as it’s designed to be something users can roll out on their own regardless of the environment, or purchase services from companies in the ecosystem (like those I mentioned earlier). Today, there are many tools like kops that integrate well with AWS ecosystem and make it easier to install Kubernetes on AWS, which makes me think that users are happy enough without an official support from AWS. And that shows the strength of the community.
cocktailpeanuts 10y ago
That doesn't make it non-annoying. I am personally annoyed at the current state of the open source ecosystem where all the top open source projects are dominated by large tech co's. These large companies are developing open source as a strategic asset but most people have no idea and just think they're being altruistic. The reason this really sucks is because as a result, all the large projects backed by large companies kill of the alternatives which have very pure motivation. Just like react is replacing a pure open standards based way of web development. Sure, it's "open source", but this is not right.
- stingraycharles 10y ago
  > I am personally annoyed at the current state of the open source ecosystem where all the top open source projects are dominated by large tech co's. It's fascinating how far we have come in the past 20 years. First the introduction of using opensource at work, then businesses starting to opensource things themselves, and here we are complaining that the top opensource projects are in fact backed by companies. I understand your point, but it's also a luxury to be able to complain about this.

That's just silly. Kubernetes is an open source project too, and I don't think Google is making a ton of money from it.

by markbnj 10y ago

That's just silly. Kubernetes is an open source project too, and I don't think Google is making a ton of money from it.

Smaller vendors are making money from turnkey k8s. There are at least two I won't mention. Docker is out on a limb with the dynamic mesh, nobody else is using the p2p gossip protocol that I know of and there are problems, and Docker paid-for support is just dropping tickets related to networking issues making this work. The service outages caused by mesh gossip problems are simply measureable by NewRelic free ping synthetic monitors. Docker is getting paid--they are falling down on support.

krakensden 10y ago
Consul is all p2p gossip, and it seems to be pretty popular.

orcy 10y ago

As far as I know they offer kubernetes environment in their cloud hosting services, so they may make some actual money out of it

zobzu 10y ago

Google does not need kubernetes to be successful or make any money to survive. Docker, on the other hand........

wstrange 10y ago
Indirectly I think Google does need Kubernetes to be successful. If they can drive adoption, it makes it much easier to move customers away from AWS and on to GCE.
- alpb 10y ago
  Kubernetes benefits all parties. AWS can move customers away from GCE using Kubernetes, too. As a customer, you get more freedom and flexibility.
  - brango 10y ago
    I'm surprised we still haven't seen a K8s solution from AWS yet. Their container engine looks OK, but K8s handles setting up internal LBs and has minikube for local development. The AWS app LB seems far behind. I'm looking forward to them accepting defeat on this one and just natively supporting K8s like Google.
    - alpb 10y ago
      There are companies like CoreOS, Heptio trying to provide good Kubernetes support for AWS. Personally, I don't think all cloud providers _have to_ provide native Kubernetes support as it’s designed to be something users can roll out on their own regardless of the environment, or purchase services from companies in the ecosystem (like those I mentioned earlier). Today, there are many tools like kops that integrate well with AWS ecosystem and make it easier to install Kubernetes on AWS, which makes me think that users are happy enough without an official support from AWS. And that shows the strength of the community.

cocktailpeanuts 10y ago

That doesn't make it non-annoying. I am personally annoyed at the current state of the open source ecosystem where all the top open source projects are dominated by large tech co's. These large companies are developing open source as a strategic asset but most people have no idea and just think they're being altruistic. The reason this really sucks is because as a result, all the large projects backed by large companies kill of the alternatives which have very pure motivation. Just like react is replacing a pure open standards based way of web development. Sure, it's "open source", but this is not right.

stingraycharles 10y ago
> I am personally annoyed at the current state of the open source ecosystem where all the top open source projects are dominated by large tech co's. It's fascinating how far we have come in the past 20 years. First the introduction of using opensource at work, then businesses starting to opensource things themselves, and here we are complaining that the top opensource projects are in fact backed by companies. I understand your point, but it's also a luxury to be able to complain about this.