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It can be about politics - See Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars series and Foundation by Asimov for two classic works with that as the center theme. But you're pain
by technofiend 10y ago
It can be about politics - See Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars series and Foundation by Asimov for two classic works with that as the center theme. But you're painting with too broad of a brush when you label all sci-fi as primarily about politics. There still plenty of other aspects of humanity and society to explore.
- icebraining 10y agoFunny you should mention the Mars series, as in Red Mars one of my favorite characters actually says “Everything is political!”.
- arethuza 10y agoSounds like either Frank or Maya?
- icebraining 10y agoArkady, actually :) Frank has another quote which I relished: “It was a mistake to speak one's mind at any time, unless it perfectly matched your political purpose; and it never did.”
- technofiend 10y agoHah. But that's my point: what's political about some author recreating a famous naval battle in an updated backdrop using space ships? What's political about the chemistry needed for Kirk to make gunpowder and shoot diamonds out of a bamboo cannon at the Gorn? Maybe what got him into that situation could be classed as politics and for those most interested in and by politics I'm sure that's what the story is about for them. But for me that's just a lever and the interesting bit is the science. It is after all called science fiction not political fiction. I just object to the poster's portrayal of all sci-fi as equivalent to something like House of Cards.
- icebraining 10y agoThe difference tends to be a bit semantic; by political I (and the character) mean something much broader than the mere party politics of House of Cards. The chemistry used by Kirk may not be political, but the show - and that episode in particular - is intensely political! It deals with how we interact with each other and with other societies, and those are always primarily political questions. And had Kirk thrown a rock at the Gorn instead, would the plot be any different? That said, I don't think all sci-fi is political - only most of it :)
- fao_ 10y ago> But you're painting with too broad of a brush when you label all sci-fi as primarily about politics. You'll note that I said "political/social/ethical". I'd be willing to look at any hard science fiction books that don't have a social/ethical/political problem at their core. Hell, even Asimov's relatively simple short stories about robots had stunning sociological observations at their core (I'll go with "Victory Unintentional" and "Robbie" as my examples).
- etangent 10y agoI'm noticing you are applying this motte-and-bailey tactic, first claiming "it is all about politics" (bailey), but when people confront you, you retreat to "it is all about sociology" (motte) that is a lot easier to defend than the previous claim.
- fao_ 10y agoHuh? Ok, I'll edit my first use of "politics" then.