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Oh, because it's true. Their employees were fairly outspoken about it at Dockercon. I had one just dramatically and rudely turn and walk away from me mid-sent

by kentt 9y ago

Oh, because it's true. Their employees were fairly outspoken about it at Dockercon. I had one just dramatically and rudely turn and walk away from me mid-sentence when I mentioned I was using Kubernetes.

tcrews 9y ago
I didn't know the animosity level was that high. This is disturbing.
holydude 9y ago
This is why I hate SW business and I am very picky about services / software I use. I really dislike companies undercutting competition with practices like this.
shykes 9y ago
Hi, I'm the founder of Docker. That is very surprising and absolutely not OK. I'm sorry that you experienced this. Could you contact me directly at solomon@docker.com to give me more details? There is no animosity towards kubernetes, quite the contrary. We are working with the kubernetes community to integrate the individual components of Docker, so that everyone can reuse each other's code and ideas. For example: - we're actively working on a containerd+CRI integration. - there's great technical discussions about supporting CNI in SwarmKit - we are participating in the early CSI (common storage interface) discussions along with the Mesos and Kubernetes communities. - we are discussing the possibility of participating in the Kubernetes secrets implementation work, since we invested a lot in SwarmKit secrets and some of that work could be reused, or at least discussed for reference. In short: no animosity. Not sure what happened to you at Dockercon but we will look into it.
- kentt 9y ago
  Hi Solomon, Thanks for responding. There really isn't many more details other than that. It was in DockerCon Seattle in the space needle. I don't remember who the employee was. I did generally get the feeling that Docker employees felt at least wary or worse about k8s. That was from more than just that once situation, but from multiple interactions I had over the conference with employees. I only pointed out that one interaction because it made me certain that at least that employee was more than wary. I'm happily using Docker and it was a good conference otherwise.
  - bykovich 9y ago
    thank u for not being a narc
    - bykovich 9y ago
      you guys love snitches, huh
  - cookiecaper 9y ago
    >I did generally get the feeling that Docker employees felt at least wary or worse about k8s. I'm no k8s fanboy (and I have the comment history full of replies from annoyed k8s contributors to prove it), but it's because they know that Kubernetes is going to end them. It relegates Docker to a swappable implementation detail.
markbnj 9y ago
That's just silly. Kubernetes is an open source project too, and I don't think Google is making a ton of money from it.
- ohdrat 9y ago
  Smaller vendors are making money from turnkey k8s. There are at least two I won't mention. Docker is out on a limb with the dynamic mesh, nobody else is using the p2p gossip protocol that I know of and there are problems, and Docker paid-for support is just dropping tickets related to networking issues making this work. The service outages caused by mesh gossip problems are simply measureable by NewRelic free ping synthetic monitors. Docker is getting paid--they are falling down on support.
  - krakensden 9y ago
    Consul is all p2p gossip, and it seems to be pretty popular.
- orcy 9y ago
  As far as I know they offer kubernetes environment in their cloud hosting services, so they may make some actual money out of it
- zobzu 9y ago
  Google does not need kubernetes to be successful or make any money to survive. Docker, on the other hand........
  - wstrange 9y ago
    Indirectly I think Google does need Kubernetes to be successful. If they can drive adoption, it makes it much easier to move customers away from AWS and on to GCE.
    - alpb 9y ago
      Kubernetes benefits all parties. AWS can move customers away from GCE using Kubernetes, too. As a customer, you get more freedom and flexibility.
FireBeyond 9y ago
I admit to being a little surprised to hear that too. Certainly it's a polarizing topic, I'm sure, but I also went to a talk either by a Docker Captain or employee that spent five minutes talking about K8s, and not in a denigrating or discouraging way whatsoever.

by kentt 9y ago

tcrews 9y ago

I didn't know the animosity level was that high. This is disturbing.

holydude 9y ago

This is why I hate SW business and I am very picky about services / software I use. I really dislike companies undercutting competition with practices like this.

shykes 9y ago

Hi, I'm the founder of Docker. That is very surprising and absolutely not OK. I'm sorry that you experienced this. Could you contact me directly at solomon@docker.com to give me more details? There is no animosity towards kubernetes, quite the contrary. We are working with the kubernetes community to integrate the individual components of Docker, so that everyone can reuse each other's code and ideas. For example: - we're actively working on a containerd+CRI integration. - there's great technical discussions about supporting CNI in SwarmKit - we are participating in the early CSI (common storage interface) discussions along with the Mesos and Kubernetes communities. - we are discussing the possibility of participating in the Kubernetes secrets implementation work, since we invested a lot in SwarmKit secrets and some of that work could be reused, or at least discussed for reference. In short: no animosity. Not sure what happened to you at Dockercon but we will look into it.

kentt 9y ago
Hi Solomon, Thanks for responding. There really isn't many more details other than that. It was in DockerCon Seattle in the space needle. I don't remember who the employee was. I did generally get the feeling that Docker employees felt at least wary or worse about k8s. That was from more than just that once situation, but from multiple interactions I had over the conference with employees. I only pointed out that one interaction because it made me certain that at least that employee was more than wary. I'm happily using Docker and it was a good conference otherwise.
- bykovich 9y ago
  thank u for not being a narc
  - bykovich 9y ago
    you guys love snitches, huh
- cookiecaper 9y ago
  >I did generally get the feeling that Docker employees felt at least wary or worse about k8s. I'm no k8s fanboy (and I have the comment history full of replies from annoyed k8s contributors to prove it), but it's because they know that Kubernetes is going to end them. It relegates Docker to a swappable implementation detail.

markbnj 9y ago

That's just silly. Kubernetes is an open source project too, and I don't think Google is making a ton of money from it.

ohdrat 9y ago
Smaller vendors are making money from turnkey k8s. There are at least two I won't mention. Docker is out on a limb with the dynamic mesh, nobody else is using the p2p gossip protocol that I know of and there are problems, and Docker paid-for support is just dropping tickets related to networking issues making this work. The service outages caused by mesh gossip problems are simply measureable by NewRelic free ping synthetic monitors. Docker is getting paid--they are falling down on support.
- krakensden 9y ago
  Consul is all p2p gossip, and it seems to be pretty popular.
orcy 9y ago
As far as I know they offer kubernetes environment in their cloud hosting services, so they may make some actual money out of it
zobzu 9y ago
Google does not need kubernetes to be successful or make any money to survive. Docker, on the other hand........
- wstrange 9y ago
  Indirectly I think Google does need Kubernetes to be successful. If they can drive adoption, it makes it much easier to move customers away from AWS and on to GCE.
  - alpb 9y ago
    Kubernetes benefits all parties. AWS can move customers away from GCE using Kubernetes, too. As a customer, you get more freedom and flexibility.

FireBeyond 9y ago

I admit to being a little surprised to hear that too. Certainly it's a polarizing topic, I'm sure, but I also went to a talk either by a Docker Captain or employee that spent five minutes talking about K8s, and not in a denigrating or discouraging way whatsoever.