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From comment by @stykes on the pull request: Moby = open source development Docker CE = free product release based on Moby Docker EE = commercial product

by pi-rat 10y ago

From comment by @stykes on the pull request: Moby = open source development Docker CE = free product release based on Moby Docker EE = commercial product release based on Docker CE. Nothing is dead; and everything that was open-source remains open-source. In fact we are open-sourcing new things.

bandrami 10y ago
The pre-emptive defensiveness of that comment says a lot...
- CGamesPlay 10y ago
  Maybe. The defensiveness could likely be that in many rebrands things tend to get lost in the scuffle (e.g. documentation not fully up to date; difficult to find references to some subproject's new name; checkbox for feature still listed on the enterprise version's landing page; assumption that it was made closed-source). The devs just want to get ahead of that as much as possible.
  - grey-area 10y ago
    There is absolutely no need for this rebrand, because they're not actually getting rid of the old brand, they're trying to reuse it for something different, which is insane. Hence the defensiveness. They know this will cause problems and complaints. They can't get ahead of the complaints without actually fixing them, by reversing the decision.
- MaxfordAndSons 10y ago
  It wasn't really pre-emptive, people were already freaking out in the thread.
- matt4077 10y ago
  And now we've come full circle to justifying the negativity with the very sentence that was inserted to defuse it... Good thing it's all OSS. Don't try to solve problems with a pitchfork, when a simple fork will do.
penagwin 10y ago
So it's like Chromium, Google Chrome, and then imagine an enterprise version of Google Chrome?
- shykes 10y ago
  Yes, that's a pretty good analogy. Except our "chromium" (Moby) actively encourages and facilitates creating completely different types of "browsers", not just Docker.
  - newsat13 10y ago
    Well, chromium is also the base for CEF, node-webkit etc.
    - styfle 10y ago
      Don't forget Electron
      - shykes 10y ago
        You're right - then yes, Chromium/Chrome is a great example.
- ascorbic 10y ago
  https://enterprise.google.com/chrome/chrome-browser/ https://enterprise.google.com/chrome/chrome-browser/
zobzu 10y ago
So, marketing move?
ohdrat 10y ago
thank you, makes sense now. why do they think we think that you can take an open source thing and make it closed source? All you can do is force them to buy commercial licenses by using a GPL on Moby. That is common use of GPL after the fact (see ExtJS history), but I'm not sure how they get around the viral aspect of GPL when they are using source from GPL project in their commercial offering. They'd have to be completely separate. If tomorrow the free "CE" product went away, what would happen? Imagine if we had to pay for the Java runtime or JDK.
- matt4077 10y ago
  Who's "they" in this little conspiracy theory? There's nothing viral about using GPL code. Your docker containers are probably running on Linux, which is also GPL, and that has neither infected nor affected you, has it?
  - ohdrat 10y ago
    "they" refers to the business creating the software--extjs or docker. It's viral, any connection whatsoever, not sure where they draw the line. GPL is just not enforced except when it comes to selling software licenses.
    - user5994461 10y ago
      You can use the software any way you want. The GPL doesn't stop you.
    - matt4077 10y ago
      I wonder how you could say such a patently (and copyright-ly) false thing, especially considering you replied to a comment explicitly mentioning Linux. Would you not think all these huge companies would think twice before using Linux if it meant being dependent on the good will of everyone who ever contributed to any of thousands of packages that come with a typical distribution?
    - matt4077 10y ago
      Oh, by the way: While stalking you, I noticed you had something much smarter to say 443 days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11022989 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11022989 "I predict that the term "micro" will be replaced by the term "modular", and that docker will create a replacement for the microcontainer named the modular loader/container."

by pi-rat 10y ago

bandrami 10y ago

The pre-emptive defensiveness of that comment says a lot...

CGamesPlay 10y ago
Maybe. The defensiveness could likely be that in many rebrands things tend to get lost in the scuffle (e.g. documentation not fully up to date; difficult to find references to some subproject's new name; checkbox for feature still listed on the enterprise version's landing page; assumption that it was made closed-source). The devs just want to get ahead of that as much as possible.
- grey-area 10y ago
  There is absolutely no need for this rebrand, because they're not actually getting rid of the old brand, they're trying to reuse it for something different, which is insane. Hence the defensiveness. They know this will cause problems and complaints. They can't get ahead of the complaints without actually fixing them, by reversing the decision.
MaxfordAndSons 10y ago
It wasn't really pre-emptive, people were already freaking out in the thread.
matt4077 10y ago
And now we've come full circle to justifying the negativity with the very sentence that was inserted to defuse it... Good thing it's all OSS. Don't try to solve problems with a pitchfork, when a simple fork will do.

penagwin 10y ago

So it's like Chromium, Google Chrome, and then imagine an enterprise version of Google Chrome?

shykes 10y ago
Yes, that's a pretty good analogy. Except our "chromium" (Moby) actively encourages and facilitates creating completely different types of "browsers", not just Docker.
- newsat13 10y ago
  Well, chromium is also the base for CEF, node-webkit etc.
  - styfle 10y ago
    Don't forget Electron
    - shykes 10y ago
      You're right - then yes, Chromium/Chrome is a great example.
ascorbic 10y ago
https://enterprise.google.com/chrome/chrome-browser/ https://enterprise.google.com/chrome/chrome-browser/

zobzu 10y ago

So, marketing move?

ohdrat 10y ago

thank you, makes sense now. why do they think we think that you can take an open source thing and make it closed source? All you can do is force them to buy commercial licenses by using a GPL on Moby. That is common use of GPL after the fact (see ExtJS history), but I'm not sure how they get around the viral aspect of GPL when they are using source from GPL project in their commercial offering. They'd have to be completely separate. If tomorrow the free "CE" product went away, what would happen? Imagine if we had to pay for the Java runtime or JDK.

matt4077 10y ago
Who's "they" in this little conspiracy theory? There's nothing viral about using GPL code. Your docker containers are probably running on Linux, which is also GPL, and that has neither infected nor affected you, has it?
- ohdrat 10y ago
  "they" refers to the business creating the software--extjs or docker. It's viral, any connection whatsoever, not sure where they draw the line. GPL is just not enforced except when it comes to selling software licenses.
  - user5994461 10y ago
    You can use the software any way you want. The GPL doesn't stop you.
  - matt4077 10y ago
    I wonder how you could say such a patently (and copyright-ly) false thing, especially considering you replied to a comment explicitly mentioning Linux. Would you not think all these huge companies would think twice before using Linux if it meant being dependent on the good will of everyone who ever contributed to any of thousands of packages that come with a typical distribution?
  - matt4077 10y ago
    Oh, by the way: While stalking you, I noticed you had something much smarter to say 443 days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11022989 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11022989 "I predict that the term "micro" will be replaced by the term "modular", and that docker will create a replacement for the microcontainer named the modular loader/container."