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Excerpts from mobyproject.org give a much better explanation: Moby is an open framework created by Docker to assemble specialized container systems without rei

Excerpts from mobyproject.org give a much better explanation: Moby is an open framework created by Docker to assemble specialized container systems without reinventing the wheel. It provides a “lego set” of dozens of standard components and a framework for assembling them into custom platforms. Audience Moby is recommended for anyone who wants to assemble a container-based system, this includes: Hackers who want to customize or patch their Docker build System engineers or integrators building a container system Infrastructure providers looking to adapt existing container systems to their environment Container enthusiasts who want to experiment with the latest container tech Open-source developers looking to test their project in a variety of different systems Anyone curious about Docker internals and how it’s built Moby is NOT recommended for: Application developers looking for an easy way to run their applications in containers. We recommend Docker CE instead. Enterprise IT and development teams looking for a ready-to-use, commercially supported container platform. We recommend Docker EE instead. Anyone curious about containers and looking for an easy way to learn. We recommend the docker.com website instead.

ChristianGeek 9y ago
Thank you for ELI5! (The official explanation made no sense to me at all.)
ernestbro 9y ago
Moby is the fedora like oss project and docker is the RHEL like commercial product. Purely a clever rebranding job. Timing is perfect - now that enterprise is adopting the technology, when you tell your boss you adopted moby he/she will say- but the CTO wants to be seen as being innovative for adopting this new technology and ita called docker not moby!
- vosper 9y ago
  > but the CTO wants to be seen as being innovative for adopting this new technology and ita called docker not moby! I see this kind of cynicism / snark all the time on HN (especially when it comes to Docker) but is it really warranted? Surely it's the rare exception? I've never met senior people who couldn't understand the naming difference between the open source version of a thing and the enterprise-branded version. Or a CEO or President. They're not morons. This seems like cheap shots for upvotes. Or am I wrong?
  - jetsnoc 9y ago
    I don't think your wrong. Someone being that entitled and ignorant must be the rare exception in 2017. Maybe I'm in a bubble too. The conversation usually goes like this with my folk: I get it, Moby is the OSS version and can be easily stood up and you don't see the need for extra cost. I'm glad you're trying to reduce expenses, but I don't mind paying for 24x7 Enterprise Support and it gives me piece of mind and priority escalation support. Basically, I don't mind paying extra for a get out of jail free card if a whole swarm is offline.... I can tell the CEO we have the vendor partner engaged with a critical ticket and she can have piece of mind too. So, let's quote out the Enterprise version of Docker and evaluate the TCO of both solutions.
    - toomuchtodo 9y ago
      It's also vital in non tech Fortune-size orgs to be able to lean on the vendor. Not having support is a deal breaker.
    - atgreen 9y ago
      By calling Moby the "OSS version" you are implying that Docker EE isn't open source. Honest question... is it true that Docker EE contains proprietary code, or did you mean to say "community version"?
      - jetsnoc 9y ago
        I probably should have written that as Community Version. I'm very uninformed when it comes to all of this and the Docker, Inc. ecosystem. Sorry about that :)
  - tyingq 9y ago
    I've certainly seen CIOs in non tech companies, who know what RedHat is, but don't know what Fedora is. It's not all of them, but it does exist.
  - diminoten 9y ago
    This idea isn't cynical, it's branding. The whole point of creating a brand like Moby is to trigger conversations about what level of service you're getting when you say you're using "Moby" vs. "Docker". The CTO hears they're using "Moby", which for the first time may make the CTO realize that some of the infrastructure for his business is relying on unsupported technology (or maybe he intuitively realized it but now it's obvious). It's not a "cheap shot", and it's not for "upvotes", it's just an observation about the nature of this change being non-technical, related to messaging.
- venture_lol 9y ago
  It would give you the opportunity to step up and be a trusted source of information and clarity
- user5994461 9y ago
  When you tell your boss you adopted moby, he's like "WTF is that?!". If you were already migrating to Docker, now you have to explain that the project name changed overnight without explanation, and it's hurting your credibility pretty bad. It's also gonna bring a lot of confusion onto everyone for a very long time.
  - douche 9y ago
    Or equally likely, "That electronic musician from the 90s? Huh?"
  - jfoutz 9y ago
    Use the tried and true engineer response. Docker does many things because it has to be all things to all people. Docker is composed entirely from Moby, we're only composing the parts that matter to our organization. It'll be faster, use less resources. Even better, it reduces our attack surface because we're removing all that stuff less experienced teams need to muddle through their deployments. The three points seem to be, cheaper, more secure, and the other guys are dumb.
jacquesm 9y ago
> Enterprise IT and development teams looking for a ready-to-use, commercially supported container platform. We recommend Docker EE instead. I'm sure they do. If I were involved in a situation like that I would definitely check this out, just to make sure that their recommendation is not just a way to protect their income stream. 'Don't look there' is the forbidden fruit theory at work, of course everybody will look there.

ChristianGeek 9y ago

Thank you for ELI5! (The official explanation made no sense to me at all.)

ernestbro 9y ago

Moby is the fedora like oss project and docker is the RHEL like commercial product. Purely a clever rebranding job. Timing is perfect - now that enterprise is adopting the technology, when you tell your boss you adopted moby he/she will say- but the CTO wants to be seen as being innovative for adopting this new technology and ita called docker not moby!

vosper 9y ago
> but the CTO wants to be seen as being innovative for adopting this new technology and ita called docker not moby! I see this kind of cynicism / snark all the time on HN (especially when it comes to Docker) but is it really warranted? Surely it's the rare exception? I've never met senior people who couldn't understand the naming difference between the open source version of a thing and the enterprise-branded version. Or a CEO or President. They're not morons. This seems like cheap shots for upvotes. Or am I wrong?
- jetsnoc 9y ago
  I don't think your wrong. Someone being that entitled and ignorant must be the rare exception in 2017. Maybe I'm in a bubble too. The conversation usually goes like this with my folk: I get it, Moby is the OSS version and can be easily stood up and you don't see the need for extra cost. I'm glad you're trying to reduce expenses, but I don't mind paying for 24x7 Enterprise Support and it gives me piece of mind and priority escalation support. Basically, I don't mind paying extra for a get out of jail free card if a whole swarm is offline.... I can tell the CEO we have the vendor partner engaged with a critical ticket and she can have piece of mind too. So, let's quote out the Enterprise version of Docker and evaluate the TCO of both solutions.
  - toomuchtodo 9y ago
    It's also vital in non tech Fortune-size orgs to be able to lean on the vendor. Not having support is a deal breaker.
  - atgreen 9y ago
    By calling Moby the "OSS version" you are implying that Docker EE isn't open source. Honest question... is it true that Docker EE contains proprietary code, or did you mean to say "community version"?
    - jetsnoc 9y ago
      I probably should have written that as Community Version. I'm very uninformed when it comes to all of this and the Docker, Inc. ecosystem. Sorry about that :)
- tyingq 9y ago
  I've certainly seen CIOs in non tech companies, who know what RedHat is, but don't know what Fedora is. It's not all of them, but it does exist.
- diminoten 9y ago
  This idea isn't cynical, it's branding. The whole point of creating a brand like Moby is to trigger conversations about what level of service you're getting when you say you're using "Moby" vs. "Docker". The CTO hears they're using "Moby", which for the first time may make the CTO realize that some of the infrastructure for his business is relying on unsupported technology (or maybe he intuitively realized it but now it's obvious). It's not a "cheap shot", and it's not for "upvotes", it's just an observation about the nature of this change being non-technical, related to messaging.
venture_lol 9y ago
It would give you the opportunity to step up and be a trusted source of information and clarity
user5994461 9y ago
When you tell your boss you adopted moby, he's like "WTF is that?!". If you were already migrating to Docker, now you have to explain that the project name changed overnight without explanation, and it's hurting your credibility pretty bad. It's also gonna bring a lot of confusion onto everyone for a very long time.
- douche 9y ago
  Or equally likely, "That electronic musician from the 90s? Huh?"
- jfoutz 9y ago
  Use the tried and true engineer response. Docker does many things because it has to be all things to all people. Docker is composed entirely from Moby, we're only composing the parts that matter to our organization. It'll be faster, use less resources. Even better, it reduces our attack surface because we're removing all that stuff less experienced teams need to muddle through their deployments. The three points seem to be, cheaper, more secure, and the other guys are dumb.

jacquesm 9y ago

> Enterprise IT and development teams looking for a ready-to-use, commercially supported container platform. We recommend Docker EE instead. I'm sure they do. If I were involved in a situation like that I would definitely check this out, just to make sure that their recommendation is not just a way to protect their income stream. 'Don't look there' is the forbidden fruit theory at work, of course everybody will look there.