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Nice article, I used tmux for a long time until I switched back to screen as it is default on most operating systems. -- Dunno is it only me but I see a weird

by dotsh 9y ago

Nice article, I used tmux for a long time until I switched back to screen as it is default on most operating systems. -- Dunno is it only me but I see a weird thing going on with "new" Vim community. Everyone is starting to use it as a VSCode or Atom, trying to use hundreds plugins but most of them don't even know how to use tabs properly... I see most of this by new "neo" fans "you don't know how to make a thing in Vim? Download Neovim... or even Spacevim configuration." type of way. :) Don't want to start a war here because every editor has it's own fans and I do not want to offend anybody either. But every one should learn to use vanilla version of their editor of choice before moving further.

shazow 9y ago
Neovim is not what you think it is. It is a vanilla vim, it's just a fork of the codebase/community. It's not a package/distribution like Spacevim is.
- dotsh 9y ago
  I know what neovim is. I was talking about answering to all vim problems with "did you try neovim?"
  - matzy 9y ago
    Who really says that though? As a regular lurker on the vim/neovim subreddits and mailing lists, I've never seen anyone try to fix someone's issue in vim by telling them to get neovim (literally never). Because, in the end, they're going to end up with the same issue. You already know what neovim is....so why would switching solve anything? Say they don't know how to use tabs, omnicompletion...why would neovim be any different? Now what you may see, to your point, is people pushing (one of the many versions of) Spacevim on those forums. And they are shat upon rather immediately. It does happen though. But that at least makes sense, because those programs make using vim "easier", therefore eliminating issues users may have. But neovim? Certainly not. The only time that would be a suggestion for someone is if they want some of the features neovim has over stock vim (maybe they want saner defaults, for example, or don't like tmux and want an integrated terminal).
    - dotsh 9y ago
      As I said before I have no problem with neovim. Yet, I'm reading HN from about 3 years and I see more and more posts like quoted above. Even in this thread was one or two - dunno where they are now. My point here is only to learn first and extend further. Not throw yourself into high water with SpaceVim and than say how much vim or neovim is bloated.
    - wsdjeg 9y ago
      SpaceVim help many people move to vim. as I know arroud me.
name_for_now 9y ago
I think if someone is going to use something like SpaceVim, it would be best to start early and just learn that instead of vanilla vim. The initial cognitive load will be high for learning both anyways. I personally do not have the patience for it even after giving it a try. But in my case, my 3yo laptop might just be too slow to handle all that bloat.
- dotsh 9y ago
  Many of them will be lost when editing something in vim on a completely clean remote server or anything other... Like how to explore files without NERDTree? You can learn basic Vim commands in 30min with vimtutor. One thing to keep in mind is this: https://danielmiessler.com/study/vim/#language https://danielmiessler.com/study/vim/#language and this https://www.vi-improved.org/recommendations/ https://www.vi-improved.org/recommendations/

by dotsh 9y ago

shazow 9y ago

Neovim is not what you think it is. It is a vanilla vim, it's just a fork of the codebase/community. It's not a package/distribution like Spacevim is.

dotsh 9y ago
I know what neovim is. I was talking about answering to all vim problems with "did you try neovim?"
- matzy 9y ago
  Who really says that though? As a regular lurker on the vim/neovim subreddits and mailing lists, I've never seen anyone try to fix someone's issue in vim by telling them to get neovim (literally never). Because, in the end, they're going to end up with the same issue. You already know what neovim is....so why would switching solve anything? Say they don't know how to use tabs, omnicompletion...why would neovim be any different? Now what you may see, to your point, is people pushing (one of the many versions of) Spacevim on those forums. And they are shat upon rather immediately. It does happen though. But that at least makes sense, because those programs make using vim "easier", therefore eliminating issues users may have. But neovim? Certainly not. The only time that would be a suggestion for someone is if they want some of the features neovim has over stock vim (maybe they want saner defaults, for example, or don't like tmux and want an integrated terminal).
  - dotsh 9y ago
    As I said before I have no problem with neovim. Yet, I'm reading HN from about 3 years and I see more and more posts like quoted above. Even in this thread was one or two - dunno where they are now. My point here is only to learn first and extend further. Not throw yourself into high water with SpaceVim and than say how much vim or neovim is bloated.
  - wsdjeg 9y ago
    SpaceVim help many people move to vim. as I know arroud me.

name_for_now 9y ago

I think if someone is going to use something like SpaceVim, it would be best to start early and just learn that instead of vanilla vim. The initial cognitive load will be high for learning both anyways. I personally do not have the patience for it even after giving it a try. But in my case, my 3yo laptop might just be too slow to handle all that bloat.

dotsh 9y ago
Many of them will be lost when editing something in vim on a completely clean remote server or anything other... Like how to explore files without NERDTree? You can learn basic Vim commands in 30min with vimtutor. One thing to keep in mind is this: https://danielmiessler.com/study/vim/#language https://danielmiessler.com/study/vim/#language and this https://www.vi-improved.org/recommendations/ https://www.vi-improved.org/recommendations/